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Brian
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Message 181 of 239 (346639)
09-05-2006 10:04 AM



    
PurpleYouko
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Message 182 of 239 (346644)
09-05-2006 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by johnfolton
09-04-2006 11:57 PM


Re: Query about figures.
Hopefully this article will explain how your excessive steamtemps are chilled in near vacuum states (as would of existed within the upper atmosphere) to 46 Degrees F.

So all you now have to explain is where the excess heat from the powers supply for this process went.
Powered refrigeration of any type produces a net increase in temperature. Only the refrigerated part gets colder. the rest gets hotter, and by a larger amount too.
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Message 183 of 239 (346645)
09-05-2006 10:57 AM
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09-04-2006 8:57 AM


Re: Query about figures.
johnfolton

Noah would have had to create access doors that opened above the food stores in order to remove said food for creatures { Since side doors would have made for waste and difficulty in reclosing doors}. In order to prevent spoilage he would have had to make the access doors fit very tightly before the voyage in order to prevent water from getting in since they face upwards.

Now in 100% humidity I will pay you a thousand dollars if you can open a door that was tight fitting to begin with before the 100% humidity arrived. It cannot be done.


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NosyNed
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Message 184 of 239 (346647)
09-05-2006 11:24 AM
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09-04-2006 1:59 PM


Re: Floating mats and genetics
Message 155

You were asked for further clarification on this question.

It appears that you have no answer. Is that the case?


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Message 185 of 239 (346664)
09-05-2006 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by NosyNed
09-04-2006 2:08 PM


Re: Floating mats and genetics
1) Are you saying that these mats floated to particular places like Australia, south america, antarctica etc. and that this floating of mats with PARTICULAR groups of animals explains the location of groups of animals that we see today. Yes or no?
Yes

2) If that is what you are saying then explain how the animals happened to be grouped the way they are. Is this because they were on one or more mats that happened to float to the specific places? Yes or No?
yes

3)If yes to both are you saying that the sorting was done based on the genetics of the animals? yes or no?
No
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Message 186 of 239 (346665)
09-05-2006 12:22 PM
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09-05-2006 10:51 AM


Re: Query about figures.
So all you now have to explain is where the excess heat from the powers supply for this process went.
Powered refrigeration of any type produces a net increase in temperature. Only the refrigerated part gets colder. the rest gets hotter, and by a larger amount too.

I agree the heat had to be vented somewhere, like a small room airconditioner venting the heat out the window.

If the heat couldn't of vent above the atmosphere the earth would of overheated from all the supersonic steamed fountains rising upwards, it would be like having a room airconditioner with no window to vent.

The excessive heat upward simply pressed open the heavens thus opening them so the heat would of vented above the atmosphere.

It says the fountains of the deep were broken up and and the windows of heaven were opened(heat rises), thus a vent for the heat to rise above the atmosphere thousands of miles upwards. genesis 7:11


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Message 187 of 239 (346670)
09-05-2006 12:33 PM
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09-05-2006 10:57 AM


Re: Query about figures.
How do we know that the storage bins didn't come out the bottom (gravity fed).

They would of kept using these sealed bins from the bottom opening a stop gate thus the grains themselves helped prevented humidity from entering the storage bins.


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PurpleYouko
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Message 188 of 239 (346674)
09-05-2006 12:44 PM
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09-05-2006 12:22 PM


Re: Query about figures.
The excessive heat upward simply pressed open the heavens thus opening them so the heat would of vented above the atmosphere.

You can't transmit heat through a vacuum. the only way for a body to lose heat in this way is black body radiation and that is SLOOOOOOW!

It says the fountains of the deep were broken up and and the windows of heaven were opened(heat rises)

Actually, heat doesn't rise at all. Hot things tend to be less dense than cold things. Therefore hot gas and vapors are lighter than cold gas and vapors so they will float to the top. This is called convection.
What they won't do is go above the top.
And what they most defininetly won't do it remove heat from the planet except for the slow trickle of black body radiation. The vacuum of space does not conduct heat.

Edited by PurpleYouko, : No reason given.


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Message 189 of 239 (346677)
09-05-2006 1:12 PM
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09-05-2006 12:21 PM


Re: Floating mats and genetics
NN writes:

3)If yes to both are you saying that the sorting was done based on the genetics of the animals? yes or no?


JF writes:

No

Then how do you explain that sorting?


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Message 190 of 239 (346706)
09-05-2006 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by johnfolton
09-05-2006 12:33 PM


Re: Query about figures.
john folton

Because as the humidity goes up the cells in the wood expand and bind tightly any guides that would be in place to open the gate. After binding tightly shut there is no way to open them until the humidity drops. Therefore the food would be inaccessible.Even if you manage to overcome this you are left with how to prevent the grain in contact with the wood walls from absorbing the moisture present in the wood.
Since the entire atmosphere was 100% humidity not only would the food have rotted { or be unavailable} the animals themselves would expire for the most part since the sweat vapour that allows them to regulate their temperatures as well as their bodily functions would no longer operate.
Other problem exist as well. How do you light a lamp when the moisture in the air will prevent it? What do you do with the waste from the animals.Since you cannot possibly open a door to the outside in a deluge of the proportion without allowing in more water that will not evporate away? Can you imagine the stench on board on a daily basis in 100% humidity?Ever been in a steam room? Take a bucket of shit, throw it on the floor and stay there for a 40 day period and let us know how it went.
Now multiply that by the number of the animals aboard and you can see the difficulty eh?

The number of problems with the physics of the flood is insurmountable. If you wish we can continue in another thread the listing of difficulties present.


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Message 191 of 239 (346754)
09-05-2006 5:15 PM
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09-05-2006 2:44 PM


Re: Query about figures.
Because as the humidity goes up the cells in the wood expand and bind tightly any guides that would be in place to open the gate. After binding tightly shut there is no way to open them until the humidity drops. Therefore the food would be inaccessible.Even if you manage to overcome this you are left with how to prevent the grain in contact with the wood walls from absorbing the moisture present in the wood.

Why would Noah not use brass to construct a gate, it would not rust or bind. genesis 4:22


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Brian
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Message 192 of 239 (346756)
09-05-2006 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by johnfolton
09-05-2006 5:15 PM


Re: Query about figures.
You are doing well Whatever, I see they are still biting :laugh:

Brian.


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Message 193 of 239 (346764)
09-05-2006 5:51 PM
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09-05-2006 5:15 PM


sorting
Then how do you explain that sorting?

Message 55


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Archer Opteryx
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Message 194 of 239 (346795)
09-05-2006 6:33 PM
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09-05-2006 5:22 PM


shake, rattle & troll
Yeah, when I saw the bit about suspended animation in glaciers my Troll Alert Meter started glowing orange.


Archer

All species are transitional.


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Archer Opteryx
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Message 195 of 239 (346799)
09-05-2006 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by obvious Child
09-05-2006 3:48 AM


Mesopotamian flood myths
obvious child:

We all know that Christanity stole the flood story from Enmua Elish which jacked it from Gligamesh.

What is the basic outlines of those in terms of animals, food, etc?

Christianity inherited the story from Judaism, of course, which inherited it from ancient Hebrew ancestors who traced their own ancestry to ancient Sumer/Babylonia. (Abraham emigrated from Ur.)

The flood story in Genesis owes a great deal to the flood story in the Gilgamesh epic, as you say. The hero of the Gilgamesh myth is named Ut-napishtim. The chief difference between the two myths (as between Genesis and other Mesopotamian creation accounts) is theological. The Hebrew versions reflect a monotheistic world view while the stories of their neighbors reflect a polytheistic one.

Comparison of Noah and Ut-Napishtim flood myths:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/noah_com.htm

Edited by Archer Opterix, : URL repair.

Edited by Archer Opterix, : URL repair.


Archer

All species are transitional.


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