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Brian
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Message 196 of 239 (346801)
09-05-2006 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Archer Opteryx
09-05-2006 6:33 PM


Re: shake, rattle & troll
Yeah, when I saw the bit about suspended animation in glaciers my Troll Alert Meter started glowing orange.

Whatever (one of johnny boy's aliases) is an infamous troll. He has been banned upteen times from here.

Things must be quiet around here because he is getting bites from people who know better.

I reckon ol John can get a whole 300 posts out of this fishing trip! :laugh:

Brian.


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johnfolton 
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Message 197 of 239 (346818)
09-05-2006 8:00 PM
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09-05-2006 12:44 PM


Re: Query about figures.
Actually, heat doesn't rise at all. Hot things tend to be less dense than cold things. Therefore hot gas and vapors are lighter than cold gas and vapors so they will float to the top. This is called convection.

I'm leaning more to launched not convection to explain the over the top happening of the fountains of the deep going over the top. I agree that they wouldn't just float over the top they would need to be launched up over the top.

Mt. St. Helens when it erupted put ash into orbit and its said it took years for it to return to the earth(launched).

Whats believed to of happened when the fountains of the deep erupted (launched) steam and particulates upward into the vacuums above the atmosphere is that it rolled back the atmosphere(windows of heaven were opened). genesis 7:11

In the article its says that they used heat to separate the absorption particle from the vaporized water molecule. In a vacuum the vaporized water molecule is not under any pressure and when it sorps to a salt particle its energy has been dissipated by the vacuum.

Water does not need to be hot just the vacuum alone can cause ice to vaporize in space. Yet given a salt particle in the articles the vacuum absorption chambers steam changes and cools to 46 degrees F.

Where did the heat go, did the vacuum absorb it away? Is this whats happening above the upper atmosphere when two separated fluids comes together in the vacuums of the upper atmosphere.

They used heat to separate the two fluids; then they brought them back together in a near vacuum environment, the water experienced a phase change to remix with the salt at a very low temperature in an absorber, water vaporizes cold enough to produce 46F chilled water.)

http://www.energysolutionscenter.org/tech/tech_absorpchill.asp

How it works

One of the oldest methods to mechanically cool a space is with absorption technology. It seems unreasonable to burn a flame to produce cooling, but that is what happens inside an absorption chiller.

The refrigerant used is actually water, as that is the working medium that experiences a phase change that causes the cooling affect. The second fluid that drives the process is a salt, generally lithium bromide. Heat is used to separate the two fluids; when they are brought back together in a near vacuum environment, the water experiences a phase change to remix with the salt at a very low temperature (at normal atmosphere pressure, water vaporizes at 212F; in an absorber, water vaporizes cold enough to produce 46F chilled water.)


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NosyNed
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Message 198 of 239 (346829)
09-05-2006 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by johnfolton
09-05-2006 8:00 PM


Sorting
Then how do you explain that sorting?

Message 55

Edited by NosyNed, : correct mis copy


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johnfolton 
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Message 199 of 239 (346836)
09-05-2006 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by NosyNed
09-05-2006 8:29 PM


Re: Sorting
Then how do you explain that sorting?
Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!

It was a fresh water flood thus all the water that Noah saw was fresh water.

Over the ocean the salt water would of sorted apart from the fresh water over the oceans preserving the salt water fisheries during the flood.

Before the freshwaters flowed off the continents to sort with the salty oceans (it would of stratified firsts by sorting apart from the salt waters then it would of slowly mixed with the salt water).

The freshwater everywhere is that all life had water everywhere to drink except perhaps the floating mats that washed out over the salty oceans.

Noahs ark however came to rest upon the mountains of ararat so these creatures never had a problem with water.


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Message 200 of 239 (346843)
09-05-2006 9:06 PM
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09-05-2006 8:53 PM


Re: Sorting sorry pointed to wrong post
The sorting I meant to refer to is in:
Message 189
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obvious Child
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Message 201 of 239 (346868)
09-05-2006 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Archer Opteryx
09-05-2006 6:49 PM


Re: Mesopotamian flood myths
Archer Opterix, i know both of the outlines of the stories. What I don't know is the specifics of Gilgamesh, specifically what the sole friendly God told him in what specifics to save. Utnapishtim gains imortality remember, Noah doesn't, plus the flood part of Gligamesh is pretty small in comparsion to the rest of the epic. Noah doesn't have his best friend get murdered by a God.

Enuma Elish doesn't detail anything specific about the flood.


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obvious Child
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Message 202 of 239 (346870)
09-05-2006 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Brian
09-05-2006 6:51 PM


Re: shake, rattle & troll
I agree. It's pretty clear his arguments make no sense whatsoever. Where on Earth has a near vaccum occured? Oh yes, NEVER.

Furthermore, we all know that the vapour canopy holding that much water means toxicity. He just ignores it.

I do find it amusing how he links articles that are completely irrevelant to his post.

So why can't you guys just block his IP?


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obvious Child
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Message 203 of 239 (346871)
09-05-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by johnfolton
09-05-2006 9:53 AM


Re: Query about figures.
I'm taking brian's advice. No longer feeding the trolls. I await your banning.
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johnfolton 
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Message 204 of 239 (346875)
09-05-2006 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by NosyNed
09-05-2006 9:06 PM


Re: Sorting Genetic Evidences of the Flood
The sorting I meant to refer to is in:
Re: Floating mats and genetics (Message 189)

The genetic sorting of all Gods Creatures via the flood happening in the summertime in the southern hemisphere (genesis 7:11)in part is why no glaciation occured down under(Australia) excluding Antartica.

The reason to why the glaciation didn't ravage the southern hemisphere is enhanced in that the waters erupting from the fountains of the deep (mid-ocean ridges) happened latitudally (less temperature fluctuations) in the southern hemisphere and not Longitudally as was happening in the northern hemisphere.

The northern hemisphere excessive glaciation with the southern hemisphere not showing evidence of excessive glaciation raises the flag about glaciation. If the earth was going thru a global cooling phase why is there not more evidence in the southern hemisphere of glaciation?

The evidence for the flood based off genetic sorting in Australia is that the creatures native to Australia have no native cattle like hoofed creatures.

There is no Kangaroo fossils found in the Mt. Ararat area because the kangaroo fossils survived the flood above the surface of the earth on floating mats of debris floating over Australia.

If the creatures native to australia migrated from Mt. Ararat you should have evidence of Kangaroo fossils in all parts of the world. Where are all the fossils of the creatures genetically native to Australia in other parts of the world. This is one genetic sorting expression of creatures surviving on floating mats that are only native to australia. Why only native to Australia? Genetic sorting via floating mats? Show me the fossil evidences of creatures native to australia that are native to North America. Is there any that was able to migrate off the big continent down under?

You have the mighty Sequoia trees only native to the Western North America because they never rerooted elsewhere in the world even though the fossil coal deposits attest they grew all over the world before the world flood sorted them to become coal deposits. How is this not evidence of a world flood through genetic sorting of floating debris forming these massive coal fossil deposits?

How come all the mighty redwood trees that once grew the world wide that are impervious to fires and insects (almost indestructible) are not evident all over the world except in coal deposits?

These are just a couple of examples of how the sorting of floating mats are evidence of the genetic expressions we see all over the world. The mighty redwood surviving in California, the kangaroo in Australia. The cattle survive on Noahs ark and could not migrate to Australia because they simply could not swim the ocean but migrated to most all other parts of the world.

This is why no hoofed creatures are native to australia, is that they simply all perished in the biblical flood. It's a form of genetic sorting they simply had not the ability like kangaroo's to climb or swim onto floating trees debris to repopulate Australia with native hoofed creatures(deer, bison, cattle, horses, camels, elk, moose, etc...).

All the hoofed creatures survived aboard Noahs ark eating grain and no evidence of any hoofed creatures native to Australia!


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Message 205 of 239 (346877)
09-05-2006 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Brian
09-05-2006 5:22 PM


Re: Query about figures.
You are doing well Whatever, I see they are still biting

A friend says that it was I that bit the hook, they enjoyed your barbs however.


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kuresu
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Message 206 of 239 (346878)
09-06-2006 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by johnfolton
09-05-2006 9:53 AM


Re: Query about figures.
jf writes:

was covered by the anionic cationic mineral sediments

care to explain how something can be negative and positive at the same time?

see, last time I checked, you can either have a postive or negative charge with molecules (neutral doesn't count--no charge).

with everything else told by you making no sense, it's no surprise that I see this ass backwards statement.

you're not winning any arguments over here--especially with the claim of a negative positive sediment.


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Archer Opteryx
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Message 207 of 239 (346879)
09-06-2006 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by obvious Child
09-05-2006 10:59 PM


Re: Mesopotamian flood myths
The story of Utnapishtim and the flood appears in one tablet of the Epic of Gilgamesh as a backstory. Many years after the flood, and thus long after Utnapishtim and his wife have been awarded immortal status, Gilgamesh seeks them out to learn how he can become immortal as well.

In the flood narrative itself, it is the deity Ea who warns Utnapishtim of the coming flood being sent by Enlil. Ea instructs him, in part:

Tear down (this) house, build a ship!
Give up possessions, seek thou life.
Despise property and keep the soul alive.
Aboard the ship take thou the seed of all living things.

It is worth mentioning that the flood, though huge, is never said to be universal. It does carry the ship above mountaintops, though.

Further on in the narrative Utnapishtim describes building the ship, a process that takes seven days.

On the seventh day the ship was completed.
The launching was very difficult[...]
Whatever I had I laded upon her.
Whatever I had of silver I laded upon her,
Whatever I had of gold I laded upon her,
Whatever I had of all the living beings I laded upon her.
All my family and kin I made go aboard the ship.
The beasts of the field, the wild creatures of the field,
All the craftsmen I made go aboard.

The ship is shaped like an exact cube--'ten dozen cubits' in each dimension--and has seven floors.
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http://alexm.here.ru/mirrors/www.enteract.com/jwalz/Eliade/073.html

Translation by E. A. Speiser, in Ancient Near Eastern Texts (Princeton, 1950), pp. 60-72, as reprinted in Isaac Mendelsohn (ed.), Religions of the Ancient Near East, Library of Religion paperbook series (New York, 1955).

Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity.

Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity.

Edited by Admin, : Fix garbling of the link by the software.


Archer

All species are transitional.


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Message 208 of 239 (346883)
09-06-2006 12:28 AM
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09-06-2006 12:18 AM


Re: Query about figures.
care to explain how something can be negative and positive at the same time?

The same fundemental argument behind everything else he has: magical polarity!


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Message 209 of 239 (346887)
09-06-2006 1:02 AM
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09-05-2006 11:28 PM


Utter gibberish
So you have no explanation at all for the genetic sorting. All you can do is write utter nonsense.

That's not surprising of course.


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Message 210 of 239 (346888)
09-06-2006 1:04 AM
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09-06-2006 12:18 AM


Re: Query about figures.
care to explain how something can be negative and positive at the same time?

see, last time I checked, you can either have a postive or negative charge with molecules (neutral doesn't count--no charge).

I was only talking in respect to sedimentation not in respect to how you might be looking at it from say like how a lab distillers use cationic anionic exchangers are working in tandum to make distilled water. In sedimentation were talking about the bridging of the cationic and the anionic charges to accelerate sedimentation.

To accelerate sedimentation you need to flocculate the sediment clays (anionic charges) and other minerals to come together which happens naturally when iron aluminum cationic charges bridges the small particulate clay. The anionic minerals then bridging to these cations that bonded to the clays causing additional cations to bridge so the sediment floc size increases causing sedimentation to be accelerated with both cationic and anionic bridging occurring in tandum.

Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.


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