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Message 205 of 239 (346877)
09-05-2006 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Brian
09-05-2006 5:22 PM


Re: Query about figures.
You are doing well Whatever, I see they are still biting
A friend says that it was I that bit the hook, they enjoyed your barbs however.

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Message 210 of 239 (346888)
09-06-2006 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by kuresu
09-06-2006 12:18 AM


Re: Query about figures.
care to explain how something can be negative and positive at the same time?
see, last time I checked, you can either have a postive or negative charge with molecules (neutral doesn't count--no charge).
I was only talking in respect to sedimentation not in respect to how you might be looking at it from say like how a lab distillers use cationic anionic exchangers are working in tandum to make distilled water. In sedimentation were talking about the bridging of the cationic and the anionic charges to accelerate sedimentation.
To accelerate sedimentation you need to flocculate the sediment clays (anionic charges) and other minerals to come together which happens naturally when iron aluminum cationic charges bridges the small particulate clay. The anionic minerals then bridging to these cations that bonded to the clays causing additional cations to bridge so the sediment floc size increases causing sedimentation to be accelerated with both cationic and anionic bridging occurring in tandum.
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Message 216 of 239 (346961)
09-06-2006 12:07 PM
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09-06-2006 9:16 AM


Re: Query about figures.
Once in space, the water molecules will spread out to put as much distance as possible between them and begin to (very very slowly) cool by radiating the excess heat away.
I was under the impression that water becomes steam only because its under pressure remove the pressure and it cools quite quickly because its no longer under pressure.
Please explain black radiation making it not possible for steam to cool quite quickly in the natural once its pressure is removed as in a vacuum as stated in the article that it cools quite quickly to 46 degrees F to a clear chilled water vapor.
Explain why I need to keep heating my hot water heater if this black radiation takes so long to dissipate its heat.
http://www.energysolutionscenter.org/...tech_absorpchill.asp
The Hydroplate senerio critic that JonF brought up is a good analogy however it does not mention that the water blasted laterally out from beneath the earth so the water would of not of been necessarily been blasted out of orbit.
Here is a different article about the making of snow which hopefully will explain how water vapor coming down from above the atmosphere and meeting with the compressed atmosphere below would produce snow.
This explains the rapid glatiation of the northern hemisphere in that what was happening is quite similar to how they make snow in the natural world.
http://rabi.phys.virginia.edu/105/2000/ps9a.html
The compressed air enters the nozzle at ambient temperature but as it expands into the open air, this high-density air cools dramatically. It is doing work on the open air, pushing that open air out of its way to make room for itself as it expands to normal density and pressure. Doing this work takes away a good fraction of the compressed air's thermal energy, so it becomes quite cold. Heat flows into it from the water droplets and those water droplets freeze into artificial snow.
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Message 217 of 239 (346962)
09-06-2006 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by sidelined
09-06-2006 11:00 AM


Re: Query about figures.
No problem there except the brass still has to fit in a frame of wood and again you have the problem of the swelling in 100% humidity now closing tightly on a brass containing door.
Water vapor is clear even at 100 percent humidity, if the temperature is cooler there would not be a problem within the ark given the ark was pitched within and without.
Remember this is only a tiny proportion of the difficulties that arise from the flood story. We might also ask of what food did Noah and his family eat and how did they cook it on a sealed vessel?
I couldn't find in genesis saying the ark was a sealed vessel, it mentions a window a cubit to fashion it above. Normal air circulation would of supplied fresh clear air from above by the water being diverted away.
And you have no answer for how the animals kept from overheating due to lack of evaporation of sweat.Nor for the waste that the animals produced.
If the window was running a cubit the length of the roof was closed but not sealed, then by normal air convection would drive the hot air out and the cooler air within the ark.
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Message 220 of 239 (347080)
09-06-2006 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by PurpleYouko
09-06-2006 12:48 PM


Re: Query about figures.
Explain why I need to keep heating my hot water heater if this black radiation takes so long to dissipate its heat.
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because your hot water tank is NOT in a vacuum and can therefore lose heat to its surroundings by conduction. The pipes that come out of it feel hot right? That is conduction.
It appears that infared energy works quite well for cooling water in these heat exchangers rejecting infared radiation into space.
Basically the steamed water molecule in space would be cooling by releasing infared radiation(especially on the dark side of the earth).
REMAINING A VAPOR because its liquid state is only based off pressure and not temp with no pressure it remains in this chilled water vapor state until it is pressurized by the atmosphere.
In the northern hemisphere being in a winter this chilled water vapor pressurized primarily to snow, the evidence is all the glaciation in the northern hemisphere. In the southern hemisphere based on the lack of glaciation returned primarily as rain.
How is there differences in principle in respect to these heat exchangers to the water molecules rejecting infared radiation into space?
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/news/2001/news-stationcool.asp
In space, objects heat up by absorbing sunlight and can only cool off by emitting infrared energy, transferring the heat by radiation.
First we remove excess heat by this very efficient liquid heat-exchange system," said Gene. "Then we send the energy to radiators that reject the heat into space."

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Message 233 of 239 (347434)
09-07-2006 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by obvious Child
09-07-2006 3:12 AM


Re: Dino's you say? Pterosaurs Flew in Noahs Day
Many conventional ships designed to take broadsides go down in large storms.
The reason being they didn't get their sea anchors out it time. Noah built his boat pitched within and without which sealed the boat but also being hard deflected waves.
This is one major reason why they used pitch before steel or fiberglass became available to deflects the wave energies around a boat.
Noah would of had sea anchors because he would of been fully aware of his need for a sea anchor. It was not like there were no boats in Noahs days and his need to keep the keel straight.
We too must not be (ignorant of the fact) that Noah had steel and brass technologies in his day. The bible does not lie, it says it like it was, it took thousands of years after Noahs day for man to figure out how to smelt iron.
The creationists water canopy would of pressed down excessively creating much greater atmopheric pressures in Noahs day (Pterosaurs were able to fly in Noahs day) with existing air pressure they would not beable to fly in our day(Pterosaur - Wikipedia).
This all likely has some bearing on it being near impossible to smelt iron after the flood using the same technologies that (Tubal-Cain in kjv Genesis 4:22) used before the flood (water canopy came down from above. The creationists water canopy is expressed clearly by their interpretion of: (kjv Genesis 1:6 and kjv Genesis 1:20).
It took thousands of years after the flood before anyone else figured out how to smelt iron from ore.
Noah had iron and brass to reinforce his boat and was told by God to compartmentalize his boat which only further strengthened his boat.
Its believed that gopher wood is not a special tree but a process of layering woods to increase their strength. This process is what builder today are using to increase strength and use less lumber in the building industry.
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KJV Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

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Message 235 of 239 (347545)
09-08-2006 11:52 AM
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09-08-2006 7:59 AM


Re: Dino's you say? Pterosaurs Flew in Noahs Day
It appears some Pterosaurs are are believed to be flying even onto this day, but most died by dragon slayers, farmers, even cowboys killing modern day Pterosaurs in .
Thanks for proving me wrong in this one point, it appears 160 feet wingspans, 92 feet long and 4 feet wide has been documented to of of flown only 100 years ago.
The article says: On April 26, 1890 the Tombstone Epitaph (a local Arizona newspaper) reported that two cowboys had discovered and shot down a creature - described as a "winged dragon" The paper’s description of the animal fits the Quetzelcoatlus, whose fossils were found in nearby Texas. I do find this all interesting, thanks for bringing it to our attention that they could of survived and flown in our lesser atmospheric pressures.
It just seems hard to believe that a creature with a wingspan of 160 feet with leathery wings could fly, but its hollow bones agrees with documented articles that these prehistoric animals are actually not prehistoric but a part of our history.
It all goes well with the other documented articles of dragons surviving after the flood were simply different kinds of reptiles that survived the flood. Most would of been destroyed by the flood but some survived apart from the fossil record, which is quite interesting cause it support the creationists premise they survived aboard Noahs ark.
Good Post btw
Page not found | Genesis Park
E "KONGAMATO" OF AFRICA
Deep in the Kenyan bush of East Africa, lives a beaked, flying creature called the Kongamato. This fascinating animal first received widespread attention when explorer Frank Welland described it in his 1932 book In Witchbound Africa. The Kongamato ("overwhelmer of boats"), is described as a large, reddish creature with leathery wings, devoid of feathers. Eyewitnesses who are shown an illustration of the pterodactyl unanimously agreed to this identification of the Kongamato. "The evidence for the pterodactyl is that the natives can describe it so accurately, unprompted, and that they all agree about it. There is negative support also in the fact that they said they could not identify any other of the prehistoric monsters which I showed them...The natives do not consider it to be an unnatural thing like a mulombe [demon] only a very awful thing, like a man-eating lion or a rogue elephant, but infinitely worse... I have mentioned the Jiundu swamp [northwestern Zambia] as one of the reputed haunts of the kongamato, and I must say that the place itself is the very kind of place in which such a reptile might exist, if it is possible anywhere." (Welland, 1932, pp. 238, 240.)
Dragons in History | Genesis Park
Reliable sightings of "flying dragons" (pterosaur-like creature) in Europe are recorded as recently as 1649. (Thorpe, B. Ed., The Anglo Saxon Chronicle, 1861, p.48) "The woods around Penllin Castle, Glamorgan, had the reputation of being frequented by winged serpents, and these were the terror of old and young alike.
On April 26, 1890 the Tombstone Epitaph (a local Arizona newspaper) reported that two cowboys had discovered and shot down a creature - described as a "winged dragon" - which resembled a pterodactyl, only MUCH larger. The cowboys said its wingspan was 160 feet, and that its body was more than four feet wide and 92 feet long. The cowboys supposedly cut off the end of the wing to prove the existence of the creature. The paper’s description of the animal fits the Quetzelcoatlus, whose fossils were found in Texas. (Gish, Dinosaurs by Design, 1992, p. 16.) Could this be thunderbird or Wakinyan, the jagged-winged, fierce-toothed flying creature of Sioux American Indian legend? This thunderbird supposedly lived in a cave on the top of the Olympic Mountains and feasted on seafood. Different from the eagle (Wanbli) or hawk (Cetan) the Wakinyan was said to be huge, carrying off children, and was named because of its association with thunder and lightning--supposedly being struck by lightning and seen to fall to the ground during a storm. (Geis, Darlene, Dinosaurs & Other Prehistoric Animals, 1959, p. 9.) It was further distinguished by its piercing cry and thunderous beating wings (Lame Deer’s 1969 interview).

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