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Archer Opteryx
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Message 172 of 300 (345632)
09-01-2006 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Trump won
08-30-2006 1:16 PM


Re: who needs conformity?
messenjah:
I will not judge your intellect from your posts here but I find the defense of conformity usually attributed to those that are easily manipulated.
I never defended conformity. I mentioned the need to strike a bargain with the universe.
No reason your contract has to look the same as anyone else's. Not at all.
But you will have to negotiate terms.
No avoiding that part, I'm afraid.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 179 of 300 (345745)
09-01-2006 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Trump won
09-01-2006 1:11 PM


Re: Hume the Nice Guy
messenjah:
"the nice guy" empiricist Hume?
Who called Hume a "nice guy"?

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 185 of 300 (345788)
09-01-2006 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Trump won
09-01-2006 2:00 PM


Re: Hume the Nice Guy
No need to prove anything, thanks. It's obviously a reference to Hume's standing as an enfant terrible. I just thought you might be quoting someone in particular.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 205 of 300 (345884)
09-01-2006 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by RAZD
09-01-2006 9:57 PM


Re: more lyrics, more freedom
RAZD,
Your Joplin lyrics reminded me of a similarly ironic turn on the idea of freedom in a film. Are you familiar with Blue starring Juliette Binoche?
It's part of a trilogy called Three Colors (Trois Couleurs) based on the colors of the French flag. The color blue represents Freedom.
When you watch the film--and I highly recommend the experience to anyone who hasn't--you get the sense very early that freedom comes in a variety of forms.
The English subtitled version of Bleu translates only the French dialogue. The choral music you hear all through the film, sung in Greek, is left untranslated. That's too bad, because many images in the film are drawn from this text, and the words are actually famous.
If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels,
but do not have love,
I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,
and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains,
but do not have love,
I am nothing.
If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast,
but do not have love,
I gain nothing.
Love is patient; love is kind;
love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude.
It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things,
hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never ends.
But as for prophecies, they will come to an end;
as for tongues, they will cease;
as for knowledge, it will come to an end.
For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part;
but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end.
When I was a child, I spoke like a child,
I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child;
when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways.
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face.
Now I know only in part;
then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known.
And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three;
and the greatest of these is love.
NRSV
1 Corinthians 13
Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo.

Archer
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Archer Opteryx
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Message 215 of 300 (346063)
09-02-2006 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Omnivorous
09-02-2006 1:25 PM


Re: academic festival
Omnivorous:
Once upon a time, only peers and professors would witness this passage
See what we go through?
Good post.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 218 of 300 (346071)
09-02-2006 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by CK
09-02-2006 3:02 PM


Re: academic festival
CK wrote:
Ah good times (well except for the riot control aspect of the job).
I'm blessed to be working in Asia. College students don't suffer from narcissism here in the epidemic levels one sees elsewhere.
They can be very loyal to past instructors, though.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 255 of 300 (346141)
09-02-2006 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by CK
09-02-2006 3:53 PM


Re: academic festival
CK writes:
I tend to find that Asian students are a) not very good on word limits and b) like essay and exam questions to have AN ANSWER.
I'm constantly asked what THE ANSWER is to any type of question that I set (not that I do much of that, I'm pure research, I only teach a module a year to keep my hand in).
The Asian education model is driven by standards and tests. Students take standardized tests to determine what elementary school they can attend, then what junior high, then what high school, then what college. Students always attend the school they do based on how they performed academically.
And going to the right school counts for much in a world where students wear uniforms every day. When students ride on the Metro--whether those students are 6, 10, 14 or 18--they know everyone on the train can see what school they attend. Everyone knows where the school stands in the pecking order--'That's the #1 school, that's the #5 school'--because everyone came through the same system. Families know, neighbors know.
There's a long history behind this that predates by centuries the founding of the first European universities. Many advantages flow from this way of doing things. The main advantage is that it's egalitarian. Getting access to better education is made as strictly as possible a matter of merit. Students tend to invest in their own academic success early. Peer pressure works to encourage learning. Schools care about raising their academic rankings, not athletic standings. Schools know they do this by helping their students perform.
But any structure involves tradeoffs. Doing well on standardized tests means delivering short, unambiguous answers. Then students enter college and begin, as they must, studies that admit more than one right answer. Suddenly they can feel at sea. How are they going to pass the test on this? Every college student has this moment, whether they study here or abroad.
This is speaking very generally. Asian societies are very different from one another even though, from a Western perspective, the school structures look similar.
Taiwanese students tend to be a very creative lot, very optimistic. They work hard and play hard. Their culture frowns on corporal punishment (still a problem in Japan) and values self-discipline more than regimentation (still the tendency in China). The arts are part of their curriculum from early childhod. So Taiwanese students are not all that intimidated by the idea of 'more than one right answer'. They will appreciate your best advice about how to prepare for your test. Give them that, though, and they're game for anything.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 258 of 300 (346175)
09-03-2006 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by kuresu
09-02-2006 11:39 PM


Re: academic festival
kuresu writes:
sounds like you all in taiwan have a system that appears to work well then.
It has its drawbacks, as I say. But most of us will happily take the disadvantages given the advantages.
i wonder, how can we transport it over here?
I'm thinking a cargo ship is too small
I wouldn't say that. You could probably fit most of Taiwan onto the cargo ship.
The main ingredient is strong central guidance by professional educators. Students meet national standards that are tested. Schools do, too: accreditation of all schools is handled by the government. People know a school is certified by the Ministry of Education or it isn't. It's like the federal guarantees you have in the US for food and banks.
There's not much room for bogus colleges to offer bogus degrees through bogus accreditation agencies. No room exists for retired cops to demand that real science educators put in a plug for pseudoscience, as happened in Dover. The professionals run the schools.
do your all's standardized tests work?
Well... it depends on what you mean by 'work.' You know how these things go. No one's going to design a perfect test.
The exams are demanding, so a lot of learning takes place. High school graduates here tend to be solid on the facts of history, geography, math, grammar. And everyone has confidence in the tests. Most people feel they are fairly designed and administered.
ours over here aren't a very good measure of what the student knows.
reason being--the classes become focused on passing that test, and focus solely on memorization of the facts, and not on why the facts are.which is what I think the biggest failure of standardized tests is. It robs the ability of the school to teach why and how, and forces on only what. and most students end up not remembering what, oh, say Boyle's law is.
I know what you mean. Same pressures here. Definitely.
You make an excellent point about learning styles. Fortunately, we have good teachers here. They know lasting learning--and even a good test score--depends on real understanding. Classes are structured to promote this. The national tests are constantly reworked, too, to try to measure this.
It always depends on the teachers, when you get down to it. Tests don't teach.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : Concision.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 269 of 300 (346318)
09-03-2006 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by kuresu
09-03-2006 1:53 PM


Re: academic festival
Kuresu,
You mentioned you were exploring the idea of a major in international affairs. If you think this is a likely route for you, I hope you are involved already in some language studies. A specialty of that sort calls for some language skills and I know undergrad programs in the US don't always require foreign language study. If you pass it up now it could be taxing to try to catch up later. Summer language programs, especially those that involve study abroad, can be very helpful option for you at this stage of your studies.
Have you thought about international law? Fascinating.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 277 of 300 (346440)
09-04-2006 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Trump won
09-04-2006 10:17 AM


music is business
The professional musican's lifestyle involves selling. Selling tickets, selling recordings, selling sheet music. Selling food and drinks by drawing a crowd to the restaurant that hired you for the gig.
It's a business. A noble business when done right. But a business nonetheless.
No one has 'left the system' just because he stands behind a mike on Friday night instead of sitting behind a desk on Monday morning. That's trivia.
And to succeed in that business normally takes a more uplifting message than 'All of you are mediocre and trivial and stupid, kiss my ass.'
Not much of an audience for that.
I wish you well in making art that exalts everyone, not just the artist.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : Concision.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : Revision.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 291 of 300 (346885)
09-06-2006 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by kuresu
09-05-2006 12:31 AM


people are strange
It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this.
- Bertrand Russell
Crazy
I remember when, I remember,
I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that place.
Even your emotions had an echo
In so much space
And when you're out there
Without care,
Yeah, I was out of touch
But it wasn't because I didn't know enough
I just knew too much
Does that make me crazy
Does that make me crazy
Does that make me crazy
Probably
And I hope that you are having the time of your life
But think twice, that's my only advice
Come on now, who do you, who do you, who do you,
Who do you think you are?
Ha ha ha - bless your soul
You really think you're in control
Well, I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
Just like me
My heroes had the heart to
Lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember is thinking, I want to be like them
Ever since I was little, ever since I was little
It looked like fun
And it's no coincidence I've come
And I can die when I'm done
Maybe I'm crazy
Maybe you're crazy
Maybe we're crazy
Probably
- Gnarls Barkley
What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind.
How true that is.
- Dan Quayle

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 293 of 300 (347044)
09-06-2006 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Brad McFall
09-06-2006 5:01 PM


Re: people are strange
Brad,
Thank you. I take your point about Derrida.
'Speech Acts' Introduction
Parasitic Speech Acts: Austin, Searle, Derrida - Kevin Halion
I guess this is a rather 'parasitic' thread, too, given all the song quotes!
And on that subject, here's a little number by Laurie Anderson.
Language is a Virus
Paradise
Is exactly like
Where you are right now
Only much much
Better.
I saw this guy on the train
And he seemed to have gotten stuck
In one of those abstract trances.
And he was going: "Ugh . . . Ugh . . . Ugh . . . "
And Fred said:
I think he's in some kind of pain. I think it's a pain cry.
And I said: "Pain cry?
Then language is a virus."
Language! It's a virus!
Language! It's a virus!
Well I was talking to a friend
And I was saying:
I wanted you.
And I was looking for you.
But I couldn't find you. I couldn't find you.
And he said: Hey!
Are you talking to me?
Or are you just practicing
For one of those performances of yours?
Huh?
Language! It's a virus!
Language! It's a virus!
He said: I had to write that letter to your mother
And I had to tell the judge that it was you.
And I had to sell the car and go to Florida.
Because that's just my way of saying (It's a charm.)
That I love you. And I (It's a job.)
Had to call you at the crack of dawn (Why?)
And list the times that I've been wrong.
'Cause that's just my way of saying
That I'm sorry. (It's a job.)
Language! It's a virus!
Language! It's a virus!
Paradise
Is exactly like
Where you are right now
Only much much (It's a shipwreck)
Better. (It's a job.)
You know? I don't believe there's such
a thing as TV. I mean -
They just keep showing you
The same pictures over ond over.
And when they talk they just make sounds
That more or less synch up
With their lips.
That's what I think!
Language! It's a virus!
Language! It's a virus!
Language! It's a virus!
Well I dreamed there was an island
That rose up from the sea.
And everybody on the island
Was somebody from TV.
And there was a beautiful view
But nobody could see.
Cause everybody on the island
Was saying: Look at me! Look at me!
Look at me! Look at me! Why?
Paradise
Is exactly like
Where you are right now
Only much much
Better.
-Laurie Anderson
_
Edited by Archer Opterix, : Brevity.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3616 days)
Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 295 of 300 (347050)
09-06-2006 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by robinrohan
09-06-2006 5:35 PM


Re: people are strange
robinrohan writes:
You do?
Do you?

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Posts: 1811
From: East Asia
Joined: 08-16-2006


Message 298 of 300 (347182)
09-07-2006 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by Brad McFall
09-06-2006 10:25 PM


swan songs
Well, it's been fun, kids. Thanks for the music and the memories.
Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars.
'The Beat Goes On'
- Britney Spears
Drums keep pounding rhythm to the brain
La-dee-da-dee-dee
La-dee-da-dee-da
Wait till you have reached the age - blah blah
History has turned the page - blah blah
We still want to hear a brand new thing -uh huh
We still need a song to sing - uh huh
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding rhythm to the brain
La-dee-da-dee-dee
La-dee-da-dee-da
Love is a thirsting, lasting on our minds
From tomorrow until the end of time
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes
And the beat goes
And the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding rhythm to the brain
La-dee-da-dee-dee
La-dee-da-dee-da
We still move to a rhythm just like this
We still dream of sharing our first kiss
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
Drums keep pounding rhythm to the brain
La-dee-da-dee-dee
La-dee-da-dee-da
Well our kids are turning faster everyday (everyday)
We still want to dance the night away
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on
And the beat goes on...
_
Edited by Archer Opterix, : Corrected spelling of 'la-dee-da-dee-da.'

Archer
All species are transitional.

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