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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
johnfolton writes:
Trees and animals, layers of peat and mosses, twisted and mangled together like some giant mixer had jumbled them some 10,000 years ago, and then froze them into a solid mass. The evidence immediately suggests an enormous tidal wave which raged over the land, tumbling animals and vegetation within its mass, which was then quick-frozen (Sanderson, 1960). But not before meticulously separating the corpses of trilobites, dinosaurs, and mammals and laying each down carefully in its own separate bed within the strata.
The Glaciers from a creationist point of view happened during the biblical deluge, it was winter in the northern hemisphere. The insects, fish, frogs, trees, would of been temporarily frozen as summer came to be the glaciers would of started melting in the northern hemisphere. All these creatures (and seeds) thawing out from the ice would of multiplied rapidly after the flood waters abated. The evidence is pretty conclusive that the glaciers happened quite suddenly, to a creationists reseeding (regenerating) the earth food supply for the creatures coming forth from the Noah's ark. Interesting hypothesis. I tried an experiment yesterday as soon as I read this. I took a male and a female frog, immersed them in a cup of water, and stuck the cup in my freezer. I pulled the cup out an hour ago. The ice melted and I used a blow dryer to thaw out the frogs. But they don't seem to be in much of a mood to multiply--rapidly or otherwise. What did I do wrong? Should I leave them in the freezer longer? Throw in some peat moss? Please advise. Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo. Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo. Archer All species are transitional.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
johnfolton writes:
The Glaciers from a creationist point of view happened during the biblical deluge, it was winter in the northern hemisphere. The insects, fish, frogs, trees, would of been temporarily frozen as summer came to be the glaciers would of started melting in the northern hemisphere. All these creatures (and seeds) thawing out from the ice would of multiplied rapidly after the flood waters abated. The evidence is pretty conclusive that the glaciers happened quite suddenly, to a creationists reseeding (regenerating) the earth food supply for the creatures coming forth from the Noah's ark. Then why have an ark at all? Noah and his family would only need to be frozen into a glacier for the duration, then thawed out. It would save them all the trouble of building a ship and taking care of animals. Archer All species are transitional.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Yeah, when I saw the bit about suspended animation in glaciers my Troll Alert Meter started glowing orange.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
obvious child:
We all know that Christanity stole the flood story from Enmua Elish which jacked it from Gligamesh. What is the basic outlines of those in terms of animals, food, etc? Christianity inherited the story from Judaism, of course, which inherited it from ancient Hebrew ancestors who traced their own ancestry to ancient Sumer/Babylonia. (Abraham emigrated from Ur.) The flood story in Genesis owes a great deal to the flood story in the Gilgamesh epic, as you say. The hero of the Gilgamesh myth is named Ut-napishtim. The chief difference between the two myths (as between Genesis and other Mesopotamian creation accounts) is theological. The Hebrew versions reflect a monotheistic world view while the stories of their neighbors reflect a polytheistic one. Comparison of Noah and Ut-Napishtim flood myths:COMPARISON OF BABYLONIAN AND NOAHIC FLOOD STORIES Edited by Archer Opterix, : URL repair. Edited by Archer Opterix, : URL repair. Archer All species are transitional.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
The story of Utnapishtim and the flood appears in one tablet of the Epic of Gilgamesh as a backstory. Many years after the flood, and thus long after Utnapishtim and his wife have been awarded immortal status, Gilgamesh seeks them out to learn how he can become immortal as well.
In the flood narrative itself, it is the deity Ea who warns Utnapishtim of the coming flood being sent by Enlil. Ea instructs him, in part: Tear down (this) house, build a ship! It is worth mentioning that the flood, though huge, is never said to be universal. It does carry the ship above mountaintops, though. Further on in the narrative Utnapishtim describes building the ship, a process that takes seven days. On the seventh day the ship was completed. The ship is shaped like an exact cube--'ten dozen cubits' in each dimension--and has seven floors.__ http://alexm.here.ru/mirrors/www.enteract.com/jwalz/Eliade/073.html Translation by E. A. Speiser, in Ancient Near Eastern Texts (Princeton, 1950), pp. 60-72, as reprinted in Isaac Mendelsohn (ed.), Religions of the Ancient Near East, Library of Religion paperbook series (New York, 1955). Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity. Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity. Edited by Admin, : Fix garbling of the link by the software. Archer All species are transitional.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Jazzns:
It seems, if we are trying to make the BEST case for fitting everthing in the ark look rediculous, that we should assume the dinos were not on board. I mean seriously, there were dinos that alone would fill the entire volume of the ark if you ground them up into sausage. Top creation researchers estimate that Noah could take 55 representative dinosaur 'kinds' onto the ark. If he took less than full-size adults for the largest kinds, everyone could ride in cross-ventilated comfort with plenty of leg room.
According to Genesis 6:15, the Ark measured 300 x 50 x 30 cubits, which is about 460 x 75 x 44 feet, with a volume of about 1.52 million cubic feet. Researchers have shown that this is the equivalent volume of 522 standard railroad stock cars (US), each of which can hold 240 sheep. By the way, only 11% of all land animals are larger than a sheep. Without getting into all the math, the 16,000-plus animals would have occupied much less than half the space in the Ark (even allowing them some moving-around space).
Were Dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark?
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
obvious Child;
how does a cube shaped ship survive huge broadside waves? Most would have trouble. But legendary ships can be pretty sturdy. Archer All species are transitional.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Those who take the Genesis flood story literally sometimes point to the impracticality of Utnapishtim's cube-shaped ark. They say that, because the dimensions of the Genesis ark are much more credible than those of the Sumerian ark, Noah's story must be the 'true' one while Utnapishtim's story is obviously fanciful.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
ReverendDG:
[....] i mean come on? claiming their myth is right because another is even less realistic? no one expects anyone to believe the utnapishtim story would work anymore than the noah one works, well people who arn't promoting it as the truth arn't Both flood stories should be presented in schools, don't you think? Teach the controversy. AO_ Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity. Archer All species are transitional.
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