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ringo
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Message 106 of 301 (347436)
09-07-2006 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by robinrohan
09-07-2006 11:21 PM


robinrohan writes:

Declare your beliefs.

I believe the topic is "Politically Correct Christ".


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Message 107 of 301 (347442)
09-07-2006 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by ringo
09-07-2006 11:29 PM


I believe the topic is "Politically Correct Christ".

This is foolish. You tell me I'm copying your beliefs in my wild interpretation, which was meant as satire, and then when I ask you what you believe, you refuse to say.

Everybody knows what I believe. And everyone knows what Jar believes, and Crashfrog, and Schrafinator, and Faith and Iano.

So we are all subject to criticism. But you apparently want to stay mysterious, in which case you can always deny that you believe this or that.


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ringo
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Message 108 of 301 (347446)
09-07-2006 11:52 PM
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09-07-2006 11:42 PM


robinrohan writes:

You tell me I'm copying your beliefs in my wild interpretation, which was meant as satire, and then when I ask you what you believe, you refuse to say.

I have told you that my beliefs are a matter of public record. I have told you that your so-called "satire" is an echo of my beliefs.

Since the topic is not "Ringo's Belief Statement", I don't think I owe you any more than that.


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Message 109 of 301 (347448)
09-08-2006 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by ringo
09-07-2006 11:52 PM


Since the topic is not "Ringo's Belief Statement", I don't think I owe you any more than that.

Well, you are just a damned coward.


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Message 110 of 301 (347569)
09-08-2006 2:09 PM
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09-08-2006 12:07 AM


Robin suspended
Well, you are just a damned coward.

I've got to suspend you for that one, Robin -- violation of Rule 10. Since you don't do this sort of thing often I'll go for 8 hours.


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    Message 111 of 301 (347916)
    09-10-2006 9:19 AM
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    09-08-2006 2:09 PM


    Re: Robin suspended
    Quite right. My apologies to Ringo.

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    tudwell
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    Message 112 of 301 (347929)
    09-10-2006 11:31 AM
    Reply to: Message 107 by robinrohan
    09-07-2006 11:42 PM


    Ringo quite frequently states his opinions and beliefs on specific matters in their respective threads. What you want him to do, it seems, is sum up in one or two sentences his entire set of beliefs. I don't think Ringo has to submit himself to such generalizations.

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    Message 113 of 301 (347942)
    09-10-2006 2:16 PM
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    09-10-2006 9:19 AM


    robinrohan writes:

    My apologies to Ringo.

    Accepted.

    So, do you understand now that your supposed "satire" in Message 95 is, in fact, a fairly reasonable (and not uncommon) interpretation?

    I specifically refered to your statement:

    quote:
    What Jesus is saying is that this old idea that God expects payment for "sins" is nonsense.

    The "modern", "politically correct" position is exactly what Jesus preached: that you don't have to go through a lot of rituals to be "saved" - you just have to behave yourself.


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    Message 114 of 301 (347943)
    09-10-2006 2:22 PM
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    09-10-2006 11:31 AM


    tudwell writes:

    Ringo quite frequently states his opinions and beliefs on specific matters in their respective threads.

    A-HA! I knew somebody was listening. :)


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    Message 115 of 301 (348121)
    09-11-2006 1:00 PM
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    09-10-2006 9:19 AM


    Re: Robin suspended
    Hey Robin,

    Have you read "The Problem of Pain" by CS Lewis?


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    Message 116 of 301 (348157)
    09-11-2006 4:35 PM
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    09-10-2006 2:16 PM


    The "modern", "politically correct" position is exactly what Jesus preached: that you don't have to go through a lot of rituals to be "saved" - you just have to behave yourself.

    i'm not sure why he thinks this isn't a real position, i've heard this many times from many people in many different ways, but basicly the same core belief.
    has robin really read anything about christian beliefs and viewpoints?
    even the NT sugests this, being that they attack what they consider the worse of the bunch for legelism, pharisees

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    Message 117 of 301 (348167)
    09-11-2006 4:55 PM
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    09-11-2006 4:35 PM


    even the NT sugests this, being that they attack what they consider the worse of the bunch for legelism, pharisees

    Well, actually both extremes were cited, Sadducees and Pharisees. The biggest difference is the the Pharisee movement was relatively short lived and none of their documents have yet been found. The only real difference betwen the two is that the former seemed to uphold a strict interpretation of the written Laws while the later held the oral tradition as strictly as the written.


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    Message 118 of 301 (348183)
    09-11-2006 6:39 PM
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    09-11-2006 4:55 PM


    Well, actually both extremes were cited, Sadducees and Pharisees. The biggest difference is the the Pharisee movement was relatively short lived and none of their documents have yet been found.

    This is very odd, jar, since the Pharisees continue to exist. They are today's Orthodox, not the Hasidim but the Orthodox, the ones who wear the yarmulkes and strictly observe the Sabbath, the Passover, the food laws and all the other laws, just as the Pharisees in Jesus' time did, and they do all the things He criticized them for too. Pharshee I believe they pronounce it. They go back to Hillel and Gamaliel, great Pharisee teachers.

    What "documents" of theirs haven't been found? The Talmud hadn't yet been written down, but was in their day the Oral Law they followed, and now it's written down.

    Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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    Message 119 of 301 (348185)
    09-11-2006 6:45 PM
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    09-11-2006 4:55 PM


    here's a reference
    Contrary to your idea the Pharisees were a short-lived movement, they were the only branch of Judaism that survived, according to this site:

    The Pharisaic school of thought is the only one that survived the destruction of the Temple. The Zealots were killed off during the war with Rome. The Sadducees could not survive without the Temple, which was the center of their religion. The Essenes, who were never very numerous, were apparently killed off by the Romans (they were easily recognizable in their isolated communities).

    For many centuries after the destruction of the Temple, there was no large-scale, organized difference of opinion within Judaism. Judaism was Judaism, and it was basically the same as what we now know as Orthodox Judaism.

    http://www.jewfaq.org/movement.htm


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    Message 120 of 301 (348188)
    09-11-2006 6:53 PM
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    09-11-2006 6:39 PM


    There are NO Pharisee documents that I know of. And, as pointed out above, the biggest difference we know of between the two sects is that the Pharisee used a strict interpretation of both the oral and written Laws while the Sadducees held to a strict interpretation of the Torah and did not consider the oral tradition as authoritive. The Pharisees seem to have more a democratization of Judaism, moving it out of the Temples.

    Both groups were condemned by Jesus for their hypocrisy.


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