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Message 1 of 125 (347633)
09-08-2006 9:04 PM


Let the barage begin
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riVeRraT
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Message 10 of 125 (347765)
09-09-2006 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by ReverendDG
09-09-2006 5:26 AM


You know, I had a feeling it might be a fake, because some of the text just seemed a little too outrageous. I should have checked it out first.
The question here is whether the piece quoted above really came from a home economics textbook. Is it real, or is it yet another of those "look how far we've come" fabrications?
Either way, it's pretty funny.
Whether the piece at hand is a genuine excerpt from a yet-undiscovered home economics textbook, it is nonetheless a relatively accurate reflection of the mainstream vision of a woman's appointed role in post-war America, as evinced by such educational training films as "The Home Economics Story" (made familiar to a whole new generation of youngsters through its spoofing on the popular Mystery Science Theater 3000 program).
It was seen as only right and proper that the wife should keep the home running smoothly, making it a quiet haven of peace and joy for her husband, the breadwinner.
Well these days are gone. The woman (both parents) almost has to work now, just so we can survive. That's what pisses me off.I wish I could stay home and raise my kids, and so does my wife.

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riVeRraT
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Message 30 of 125 (348060)
09-11-2006 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by kuresu
09-09-2006 7:55 PM


since when did we decide we should insert christian morality into a secular constitution?
Since we decided to insert our "secular" constitution into our Christian morality.
True Christianity (the religion) requires you to be free (secular).
True Christianity (in your heart) does not.
Somewhere along the lines that got confused. But the religious zealots are the cause of that, just like the birth of most freedoms.
Why does it have to be either or? Isn't that just being lazy?

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riVeRraT
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Message 31 of 125 (348061)
09-11-2006 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by nator
09-09-2006 6:32 PM


Well, then, lobby for the ERA.
That way employers would be legally required to pay women equal pay for equal work.
How ignorant of you to think I don't.
I don't have a problem with anyone getting paid what they deserve.

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riVeRraT
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Message 32 of 125 (348062)
09-11-2006 7:09 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by U can call me Cookie
09-11-2006 3:05 AM


Re: Fetch my Belt
Goes back much further than that, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything we are talking about here.

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riVeRraT
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Message 34 of 125 (348074)
09-11-2006 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by U can call me Cookie
09-11-2006 7:16 AM


Re: Fetch my Belt
I don't know, I don't see the woman portrayed in that ad to be voluntarily submissive.
It doesn't really portray S&M to me.

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riVeRraT
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Message 42 of 125 (348178)
09-11-2006 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by U can call me Cookie
09-11-2006 8:22 AM


Re: Fetch my Belt
Alright, I am sorry then.
I just didn't see it that way.

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riVeRraT
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Message 43 of 125 (348179)
09-11-2006 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by nator
09-11-2006 12:02 PM


How are Christian marriages affected if gay marriages are recognized by the government?
That has nothing to do with what I said or this thread, stop it.
Nobody is forcing Christians to change their morality.
When did I say they were? Also off-topic
It is Christians that are forcing their morality onto civil marriage by discriminating against ga marriage.
Marriage has traditionally been between a man and a woman for a very long time. Change does not come easy. Although I have decided to live and let live, I think others need convincing that people are genetically gay, and deserve the same rights based on something they cannot change about themselves.
I also wouldn't use the term Christians, and would use the term people. Since we cannot determine what a true Christian is, and that there are Christians who are fine with it, then you have to stop discrimination, and lumoing all Christians into a category, it's called predjudice.

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riVeRraT
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Message 47 of 125 (348528)
09-12-2006 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by CK
09-11-2006 6:04 PM


What if they just like being gay? what's the issue then?
If they just like being gay, then it's just a choice, and we all know how gay people feel about it being called a choice.
Plus then we would have to marry everyone based on what they like.

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riVeRraT
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Message 48 of 125 (348530)
09-12-2006 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by nator
09-12-2006 7:29 AM


I'm sorry if I thought you were responding to kuresu's comment regarding the Christian-led ban on gay marriage, considering that's exactly what you did.
Your statement:
quote:
How are Christian marriages affected if gay marriages are recognized by the government?
Has nothing to do with mine.
quote:
Since we decided to insert our "secular" constitution into our Christian morality.
Kuresu's comment is just another lame stab at a lie. And has no respect for who or where we came from. My response has nothing to do with gays, but with the constitution, and where it came from.
The whole world is not gays vs Christians, you need to stop that BS.
It doesn't matter if they are "genetically gay" or not.
It sure does.
I'll use the word "homophobe".
Most people are not afraid of gays, they just don't like them, don't agree with it, do not understand it, hate it, etc.
Homophobe is another aggresive term used by you, to do nothing more than start trouble between two groups of people. Grow up.

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riVeRraT
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Message 52 of 125 (349010)
09-14-2006 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Taz
09-13-2006 7:03 PM


I am not afraid of gays, and have never refered to myself as a homophobe. I have been called that many times, but that does not make me one.
I have explained in great detail that I do not understand the attraction between same sex couples, or their desire to have sex with each other. That does not make me a homophobe. It just doesn't make any sense to me, I don't see it as being normal.
All that is completely separate from my religious view of it. In my religious view, I have decided to let God deal with it, and I will not judge, but just love everyone, as I always have.

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riVeRraT
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Message 53 of 125 (349012)
09-14-2006 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by nator
09-14-2006 7:18 AM


Fear is at the heart of that entire list.
Bullshit.
I use the term because it is accurate.
Only in your mind, and the minds of other predujice people.

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riVeRraT
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Message 61 of 125 (349121)
09-14-2006 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by nator
09-14-2006 8:24 AM


The possible
Isn't it perfectly possible that someone could not fear gay people, yet not agree with it?
To be fair, I will note that people do have those things stemming from fear, I amnot saying you are totally wrong, just that you are categorizing people, and name calling with only one piece of evidence. I find that just as disturbing as racism. It stems from the same relm of thinking.
First it was Christians, then it was homophobes, next will be just assholes.
Why can't we just have a discussion without the emotions getting involved?

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riVeRraT
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Message 62 of 125 (349123)
09-14-2006 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Taz
09-14-2006 12:36 PM


He's probably afraid of god's wrath on this nation.
Thaty is 100% wrong. Maybe you should go back and read some of our discussions.
I do not believe in judging what is, or is not "God's wrath". I believe that Jesus died just for that reason, and that when He left, He deposited the Holy Spirit that dwells in all of us, and you will know deep in your heart if what is happening to you is God's wrath or not. We don't need preachers or anyone else to tell us what is.
Our job as Christians is to love one another, and love God. We are to be like Jesus, and Jesus came to save the world, not judge it.
Aside from all that, there is no biblical reason to think that God will pour His wrath out on our nation, as there are plenty of righteous people, God fearing, and non-God fearing in this nation.
If more people would turn to God, and put their faith in Him, and pray for the situation, then maybe God would set it straight, whatever that answer might be.

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riVeRraT
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Message 63 of 125 (349125)
09-14-2006 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Jazzns
09-14-2006 4:13 PM


Thank you Jazzns
Have a beer on me

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