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Message 102 of 301 (347294)
09-07-2006 1:41 PM

Reply to: Message 101 by robinrohan
09-07-2006 1:29 PM

robinrohan writes:

I was interpreting a particular passage not speaking generally of the New Testament.

Doesn't matter. Any reasonable interpretation should be somewhat consistent with the whole New Testament (not to mention the Old). The one you "made up" is.

You tend to be rather coy about your own views however. If you spell them out, I will know what they are.

I have two-thousand-odd posts where my views are spelled out in some detail.
Feel free to consult them.

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Message 104 of 301 (347426)
09-07-2006 11:13 PM

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09-07-2006 11:03 PM

robinrohan writes:

No, this won't do.

Boo hoo.

Do you have anything to say about the topic?

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Message 106 of 301 (347436)
09-07-2006 11:29 PM

Reply to: Message 105 by robinrohan
09-07-2006 11:21 PM

robinrohan writes:

Declare your beliefs.

I believe the topic is "Politically Correct Christ".

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Message 108 of 301 (347446)
09-07-2006 11:52 PM

Reply to: Message 107 by robinrohan
09-07-2006 11:42 PM

robinrohan writes:

You tell me I'm copying your beliefs in my wild interpretation, which was meant as satire, and then when I ask you what you believe, you refuse to say.

I have told you that my beliefs are a matter of public record. I have told you that your so-called "satire" is an echo of my beliefs.

Since the topic is not "Ringo's Belief Statement", I don't think I owe you any more than that.

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Message 113 of 301 (347942)
09-10-2006 2:16 PM

Reply to: Message 111 by robinrohan
09-10-2006 9:19 AM

robinrohan writes:

My apologies to Ringo.

Accepted.

So, do you understand now that your supposed "satire" in Message 95 is, in fact, a fairly reasonable (and not uncommon) interpretation?

I specifically refered to your statement:

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What Jesus is saying is that this old idea that God expects payment for "sins" is nonsense.

The "modern", "politically correct" position is exactly what Jesus preached: that you don't have to go through a lot of rituals to be "saved" - you just have to behave yourself.

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Message 114 of 301 (347943)
09-10-2006 2:22 PM

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09-10-2006 11:31 AM

tudwell writes:

Ringo quite frequently states his opinions and beliefs on specific matters in their respective threads.

A-HA! I knew somebody was listening.

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Message 136 of 301 (348347)
09-12-2006 10:46 AM

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09-12-2006 10:34 AM

robinrohan writes:

... this politically correct version of Christianity just bores me no end.

If you look closely in the upper right-hand corner of your browser, there's a little "X" that will relieve your boredom.

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Message 192 of 301 (348730)
09-13-2006 11:37 AM

Reply to: Message 187 by robinrohan
09-13-2006 10:07 AM

Re: Morals in the Gospels

robinrohan writes:

By "correct," I mean merely what the authors of the Bible had in mind.

I've tried to explain to you before: if the Bible was "inspired", what the authors had in mind is irrelevant, because the interpretation(s) can be equally inpired. And if it was not inspired, what they had in mind is relevant only in a cultural/historic sense, not a religious/moral sense.

I wish people would stop telling me what I'm supposed to not care about or what I'm not supposed to be interested in.

If you're going to run around in a cape shouting, "I'm Nihilist-Man!", don't be surprized if people don't dote on your wishes.

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Message 213 of 301 (348791)
09-13-2006 3:07 PM

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09-13-2006 2:56 PM

Re: Morals in the Gospels

robinrohan writes:

If I interpret a passage of scripture in what seems to me a plausible way, you can just say, "Well, that's not what it means. According to my divine inspiration, it means soemthing quite different from what you think it means."

The dogmatists are constantly saying that to me.

... what is the point of employing the Bible as a guide at all?

Where did I say anything about using it as a "guide"?

You might as well discard it and just use your own ideas.

I don't throw out a book just because it doesn't mesh 100% with my ideas.
I also don't change my own ideas based on any book.

Edited by Ringo, : Adjusted verb tension.

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Message 218 of 301 (348805)
09-13-2006 3:24 PM

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09-13-2006 3:14 PM

Re: Morals in the Gospels

robinrohan writes:

Where did I say anything about using it as a "guide"?

Yes you are....

I asked, "Where?" Thou shalt not make unfounded claims about what I said.

... at any rate Jar is, and I assume you agree with him.

Thou shalt not assume.

I like being compared to jar, but that doen't make me responsible for everything he says.

Why not just state the idea without these misleading references to the Bible?

If you're "misled", that's your problem, not mine.

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Message 225 of 301 (348818)
09-13-2006 3:37 PM

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09-13-2006 3:30 PM

Re: Morals in the Gospels

robinrohan writes:

Every time I ask you a direct question about your beliefs, you refuse to answer.

Not at all. You never ask specific questions, and when you ask vague questions you refuse to accept my answers.

If you're so all-fired fascinated by what I believe, start a thread on "What Ringo Believes".

If you make assumptions, you will often be wrong. It would be wise to not post your wrong assumptions for the whole world to see.

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Message 230 of 301 (348826)
09-13-2006 3:48 PM

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09-13-2006 3:43 PM

Re: Morals in the Gospels

robinrohan writes:

Are you a Christian?

Ask me in an appropriate thread.

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Message 289 of 301 (349072)
09-14-2006 2:15 PM

Reply to: Message 286 by Faith
09-14-2006 1:27 PM

Re: Converting anyone isn't up to us anyway

Faith writes:

He talks to us as intelligent human beings.

When I talk to the ducks, I expect quackery from them.
When I talk to intelligent human beings, I expect something else.

God can convert any of the obnoxious people here as well as He can convert Robin

So there's hope for you yet?

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