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jar
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Message 6 of 301 (346400)
09-04-2006 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
09-03-2006 2:08 PM


Well, the trend is certainly nothing new. The Tyndale, Wycliffe, Cromwell, Bishops and Geneva Bibles were all translated to be politically correct with a bias towards Protestant positions and both the Douay and King James Versions of the Bible were created to be both politically correct and to try to 'correct' the perceived problems of the earlier one.

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jar
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Message 98 of 301 (347285)
09-07-2006 1:04 PM
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09-07-2006 12:52 PM


Well, while there are a few things worthy of quibble in it, for the most part it is both reasonable and Biblically sound.

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Message 117 of 301 (348167)
09-11-2006 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by ReverendDG
09-11-2006 4:35 PM


even the NT sugests this, being that they attack what they consider the worse of the bunch for legelism, pharisees
Well, actually both extremes were cited, Sadducees and Pharisees. The biggest difference is the the Pharisee movement was relatively short lived and none of their documents have yet been found. The only real difference betwen the two is that the former seemed to uphold a strict interpretation of the written Laws while the later held the oral tradition as strictly as the written.

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jar
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Message 120 of 301 (348188)
09-11-2006 6:53 PM
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09-11-2006 6:39 PM


There are NO Pharisee documents that I know of. And, as pointed out above, the biggest difference we know of between the two sects is that the Pharisee used a strict interpretation of both the oral and written Laws while the Sadducees held to a strict interpretation of the Torah and did not consider the oral tradition as authoritive. The Pharisees seem to have more a democratization of Judaism, moving it out of the Temples.
Both groups were condemned by Jesus for their hypocrisy.

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Message 126 of 301 (348203)
09-11-2006 7:26 PM
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09-11-2006 7:12 PM


Rabbinic Judaism may be the successor to the Pharisees and as I pointed out above the major difference was in the Pharisees accepting the oral traditions. But I know of NO existing Pharisee writings. The written Talmudic documents come from long after the temple destruction.

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Message 216 of 301 (348800)
09-13-2006 3:18 PM
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09-13-2006 3:14 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
Because the basic message of the Bible comes (surprise) from the Bible. LOL

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jar
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Message 219 of 301 (348806)
09-13-2006 3:24 PM
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09-13-2006 3:23 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
The Bible is a Living Document. It is not good to stone folk that work on the Sabbath.

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jar
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Message 227 of 301 (348821)
09-13-2006 3:42 PM
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09-13-2006 3:31 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
It means that we live today not 2000 years ago. For a religion to have any value it must address the issues and conditions of the moment, not simply those of 2000 years ago.

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Message 240 of 301 (348852)
09-13-2006 4:16 PM
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09-13-2006 4:11 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
But the book doesn't change. What the authors intended doesn't change.
I agree. The question then is what the authors intended.

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jar
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Message 242 of 301 (348860)
09-13-2006 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by robinrohan
09-13-2006 4:24 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
But if the Bible is going to be an authority, you can't be picking and choosing among these central ideas that are in the Bible. You can't say, as you did say, that the notion that Christ died for our sins is a stupid idea: it's a central idea in the New Testament.
Well, no it is not. So there. It is a stupid and silly idea with no logical or reasonable support.
AbE:
If you reject some ideas and retain others, then the Bible is not an authority. It's just a book like any other.
Well, Duh. It is a book, like any other. It is an anthology of anthologies.
Edited by jar, : forgot to address the rest of the nonsense.

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jar
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Message 244 of 301 (348864)
09-13-2006 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by robinrohan
09-13-2006 4:31 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
Since it is a rite I take part in regularly I most certainly have not forgotten. Have you forgotten that Jesus was very much alive at that meal?

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jar
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Message 250 of 301 (348879)
09-13-2006 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by robinrohan
09-13-2006 4:50 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
So? Jesus is talking about the fact he's about to be crucified. It's a blood sacrifice--a popular idea in those days.
No, not exactly. IMHO he is speaking of His life which was given. It is the teacher speaking to the students.
Do you reject Paul's ideas about the Fall? How can you pick and choose among ideas like this if the Bible is an authority?
I have covered this in some depth about a brazillion times lately. I simply cannot find any support for Pauls claims in Genesis story about the Garden of Eden.
And I have said many times, including this very thread, that the Bible is but a Map.
If the Bible is not an authority, then of course it's just another book and you can reject and choose what you please. But you can't if it's an authoritative book.
Do you ever bother reading what people post? In Message 242 I already said that the Bible is but an anthology of anthologies.

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jar
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Message 253 of 301 (348892)
09-13-2006 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by robinrohan
09-13-2006 5:42 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
Why would you use the Biblical passage, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself," if you are going to interpret this in a way that is obviously not what was intended by the authors of the Bible?
But I do not think that I interpret it "in a way that is obviously not what was intended by the authors of the Bible".

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jar
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Message 256 of 301 (348904)
09-13-2006 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by robinrohan
09-13-2006 6:12 PM


Robin dances away yet again. LOL
Okay, you make assertions. We know you are very good at that.
And why are you offering these screwball interpretations of Genesis, when it is OBVIOUS to anyone who reads it that God is punishing Adam and Eve for disobeying his command?
What interpretations? I simply report what Gensesis actually says.
What I can't figure out is what your agenda is. If the Bible isn't authoritative, why would you care if your modern ideas are in it or not? Are you trying to prove you're a Christian?
Yet more nonsense it seems. I don't try to prove anything. I simply present my best case for my position. I would hope others might do the same. The readers then can look at what is presented and make up their own minds as to what makes sense and what does not.

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jar
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Message 262 of 301 (348925)
09-13-2006 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by robinrohan
09-13-2006 8:42 PM


Re: Morals in the Gospels
robin writes:
Yes, but jar's meaning has a modern twist quite different from the Biblical meaning.
More Hamster dancing from robinrohan it seems.
Try this for a change. Try presenting the best case for YOUR position. Who knows, perhaps someone might even find it compelling.

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