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Author Topic:   Thank You Adam Smith.
sidelined
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Message 50 of 124 (346886)
09-06-2006 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
09-05-2006 10:29 AM


prophex
I have to ask. Are you able to offer solutions to the problems you think are presented here? Just how would you guide a nation state or city yourself? In what way would you get work done and how would you pay people?
Certainly a man such as yourself is not going to be hypocritical by merely pointing out supposed faults without showing the proper way to accomplish things to produce a world that you consider better run and more equitable. It is easy to talk of solutions ,it is quite another to convince the world to implement them.

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sidelined
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Message 88 of 124 (347577)
09-08-2006 2:45 PM
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09-07-2006 7:50 PM


prophex
Believe me, I have had ideas of my own, but I don't want power, or money, or to rule over people just like me. Power dies with my body, Money is an illusion. All I can give is my love, all I can do is transcend.
So just what is the solution you offer? Please explain how you can do without the items you listed in the OP.

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sidelined
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Message 118 of 124 (347784)
09-09-2006 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by joshua221
09-08-2006 8:30 PM


Re: This is just about the funniest thing.
prophex
"Rousseau's idea of a common will and understanding within a society to do what is right."
So do we include abadonment of children in the idea of common will?
It seemed Rousseau's great ideals did not extend to include his children.
While this does not negate the validity of the ideas he has it sheds light on the human being behind the Ideals that those ideas seek to address. If we are not willing to live within the confines of our ideals then those ideals are rather useless.
You are young and the world is fresh to you yet. It is not that your ideas are without merit ,just that they break down upon inspection.
My ex-Sister-in Law had an arguement with me concerning abortion and how it was a crime and her beliefs {born again Christian} and values could not compromise on such an importnat thing. I mentioned that , for one, I was incapable of forming an opinion since I was ignorant of the facts surrounding the pros and cons, but that I found it particularly telling that she was unable to even begin to explain how we should look after those children should we remove the right to abortion. Her arguement continued to revolve arund the Ideal she had but never to the practical matter that must be faced as a consequence of implementing those ideals.
In the same way you are feeling under attack for your OP and that you are misunderstood. I have only one thing to add for your disemination and that is; Is the lack of understanding on the part of your students a fault of the pupil or the teacher?

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Message 123 of 124 (348274)
09-11-2006 11:59 PM
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09-09-2006 5:15 PM


prophex
prophex writes:
Think not of the man but of his ideas if you have any decency whatsoever
I did make account of that prophex.
sidelined writes:
While this does not negate the validity of the ideas he has it sheds light on the human being behind the Ideals that those ideas seek to address.
The point I was making was not an attack on the man per se but that if he cannot live up to his own Ideals then perhaps his ideas should be carefully examined. To state a conviction is one thing. It is wholly another to live it.

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