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Muhd
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Message 5 of 60 (348288)
09-12-2006 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Phat
08-16-2006 10:48 AM


Re: Getting through a thick skull
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God is a Belief. How sound that belief is rests on the individual, not on science. God does not have to be proven.
One should have some sort of solid foundation of evidence for their faith. But you are right, science probably isn't the place to find such evidence.
However I will say that evolution and other naturalistic theories are perpetuated in an effort to remove God out of the picture. It saddens me when Christians show support for this kind of godless science.

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Muhd
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Message 38 of 60 (350134)
09-18-2006 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by jar
09-14-2006 9:33 AM


Re: Getting through a thick skull
Is "to remove God out of the picture", to put God in the picture.
Is that supposed to be a question? If so, then no "removing God from the picture" is not "putting God in the picture". In fact, they are opposite statements.
Earthquakes are the result of Tulis dogs stopping to scratch for fleas therefore we need to be studying how to get fleapowder to the God Tuli.
Chac is needed if we wish to study rain and storms.
Poseidon needs to be returned to a central position should we wish to comprehend tsunamis.
I didn't see that coming (verbal irony). I would say that that is comparing apples to oranges. Those examples are common natural events that become easily understood after careful scientific investigation and there is no need in those cases to attribute anything to the supernatural. However, it seems that the more scientific knowledge we have, the more problematic naturalism is (complexity of life and homochirality of biological polymers are two examples) and the more clear it becomes that the origin of life without God is not possible. Yet atheists continue to believe that science will provide them with an answer, some excuse to not believe in God so they can continue living their godless life in peace without guilt.

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Muhd
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Message 39 of 60 (350136)
09-18-2006 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Brian
09-12-2006 7:26 AM


Re: Getting through a thick skull
Well, the Genesis account would probably be best described as "mythological" not as a "fairy tale" by those who do not believe its validity.
Edited by Muhd, : I'm Awesome

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Muhd
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Message 42 of 60 (350329)
09-19-2006 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by jar
09-18-2006 11:17 PM


Re: Getting through a thick skull
That might be but you said: "to remove God out of the picture". Removing God out of the picture would be to put God in the picture.
So it was the wrong prepositional phrase for the verb. Should be "remove God from the picture".
Perhaps to you, but there is certainly no evidence there, just more of the misrepresentation that is typical of Biblical Creationists.
Certainly no argument there, just more ad hominem and sterotyping typical of evolutionists.
Well, this Christian says that is simply laughable. Why would an atheist need an excuse to live their goddless life. Too silly.
Because if I'm right then they would have to change their lifestyle to a more godly one. Which is something some atheists are not willing to do, so they are forced to believe there is no god.
I don't really care what the Clergy Project says. I'm aware that some Christians believe evolution. I just don't think these people are well informed.
Edited by Muhd, : Fixed errors

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Muhd
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Message 47 of 60 (350422)
09-19-2006 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by NosyNed
09-18-2006 11:15 PM


Re: poor examples
There are good reasons...
Really? Do share
...for thinking these are not problems and using them simply because they are not totally resolved issues only means you are using the very, very weak god-of-the-gaps theology. An approach that has, in all resolved cases, been shown to be wrong.
Well duh, of course it has been shown to be wrong in all resolved cases. The question is whether this is one of those things that will be resolved. Allow me to be a skeptic and say that I don't have the faith to believe that this one will be resolved.
Atheists all have faith to believe that one day, somehow, scientists will be able to explain something coming from nothing, or life arising from non-life which to me seems to require more blind faith than believing that some higher power did it.
Comparing the problem of the Origin of Life with lightning bolts and the water cycle is simply not going to get you anywhere. I could just as easily give you the typical creationists response and say that looking for a naturalist answer to the Origin of life is like looking for a natural process that creates wristwatches. In fact, I do say that it is more like wristwatches than lightning bolts.

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