Oh my how things have changed!!!

Isn't it perfectly possible that someone could not fear gay people, yet not agree with it?To be fair, I will note that people do have those things stemming from fear, I amnot saying you are totally wrong, just that you are categorizing people, and name calling with only one piece of evidence. I find that just as disturbing as racism. It stems from the same relm of thinking.First it was Christians, then it was homophobes, next will be just assholes.Why can't we just have a discussion without the emotions getting involved?

Thaty is 100% wrong. Maybe you should go back and read some of our discussions.I do not believe in judging what is, or is not "God's wrath". I believe that Jesus died just for that reason, and that when He left, He deposited the Holy Spirit that dwells in all of us, and you will know deep in your heart if what is happening to you is God's wrath or not. We don't need preachers or anyone else to tell us what is.Our job as Christians is to love one another, and love God. We are to be like Jesus, and Jesus came to save the world, not judge it.Aside from all that, there is no biblical reason to think that God will pour His wrath out on our nation, as there are plenty of righteous people, God fearing, and non-God fearing in this nation.If more people would turn to God, and put their faith in Him, and pray for the situation, then maybe God would set it straight, whatever that answer might be.

Thank you Jazzns
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That's amazing, it's a phobia for me, but not for you. What's good for the goose is..... Which has nothing to do with being afraid of homosexuals, in my point of view.I am just as afraid of the current status of marraige, as I am of the unkown status of same sex marraige, and where this is all going to lead us. But my fear is extremely limited, and probably microscopic compared to your fear of heights, as I do put my trust in the Lord regarding both these subjects. Bend over, and I will let you experience the "ham fisted approach" up close and personal. just kidding....Your are right, I do come across that way, but what to you expect from a NYC kid? It's the way we talk up here, no BS, and to the point. I actually have toned down a thousand percent over the years. I am still learning.

It is truely beyond me how you could have got that from anything I said. I have said just the opposite. You need help.The bible is clearly against homosexuality, that is clear. Why is it, if I post that fact, then I am the same exact way? I am not a literalist. A very good point to consider. But has little to do with reality, as I pointed out. Until you start paying my bills around here, then I will continue to teach my kids those things, and why. You make it out to be something wrong, and it's not. I can raise my kids how ever I choose. Once they are on their own, then they can live however they choose. That's life.You are starting to sound like a liberal, the kind I don't particularly like. All one sided. I look at the whole thing from many different angles. Each one I try to make as unbiased as possible. You have no clue about my experience with homosexuals, or to what extent I know about them, and their "life style". Of course you will immediately take that statement as being bad, discriminatory, and bigoted. That is only an opinion, not a fact. In 6 thousand year from now, people will look at your thoughts the same way. It's not the bedroom I am concerned about. People are free to do with their bodies whatever they want. Then I will accept him just like I do all other gays.I will not pretend to be something I am not, just to please others. If I am wrong, I either have to be shown why, or find out for myself why. I am not absolute in any of my decisions. Ask the pentagon. They have listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. Aren't there cures for disorders?Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

But it's two different things: My fear of heights isn't irrational because I could fall and get hurt. On the other hand, your fear of gays is irrational. What can a gay person do to hurt you that any other human being couldn't do? (I guess if it was a really tall gay person, you could fall off and get hurt. ) I don't think that's true. Have we seen you express as much concern about marriage in general as you do about same-sex marriage? Well, I'm openly admitting my fear and you're not. And my fear doesn't prompt me to post on the Internet that "I don't agree with heights". See, there go your latent homosexual tendencies again. Yes you are. Well done.Now if you could learn to overcome the fear of fear itself....

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Isn't it perfectly possible that someone could not fear gay people, yet not agree with it?

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Yes.But most of the time, I believe, it is fear that is the motivator of anti-homosexual beliefs in people.Also, you said:

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Most people are not afraid of gays, they just don't like them, don't agree with it, do not understand it, hate it, etc.

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Hate is almost always fear-based.Dislike is almost always fear-based.If people don't understand others' behavior, they often fear it.

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To be fair, I will note that people do have those things stemming from fear, I amnot saying you are totally wrong, just that you are categorizing people, and name calling with only one piece of evidence. I find that just as disturbing as racism. It stems from the same relm of thinking.

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It's not "only one piece of evidence", rat.The reason Bush and the Republicans won the last election is because many of the people who voted for them were terrified that gay people might be given equal rights to marry the person of their choice in America.

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I am just as afraid of the current status of marraige, as I am of the unkown status of same sex marraige, and where this is all going to lead us.

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I asked the following in a previous message. What are you worried about?

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Until you start paying my bills around here, then I will continue to teach my kids those things, and why. You make it out to be something wrong, and it's not.

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It is wrong to teach your children to be homophobic.If you have a gay child, they will suffer because you are prejudiced against people of a different sexual preference that you.You do know that the suicide rate of gay teenagers is quite high, don't you?

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I can raise my kids how ever I choose. Once they are on their own, then they can live however they choose. That's life.

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And we can disapprove all we want if you choose to tell us about it.

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Ask the pentagon. They have listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. Aren't there cures for disorders?

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Why should we listen to the pentagon regarding psychology?

I guess that is why I am not afraid of gay people.It was your clamation of me being homophobic that I was refering to. What does you seeing me express anything have to do with how I feel about it.Most of these gay topics are brought up by other people.This wasn't even supposed to be a gay thread. You want to know the truth of my fear?My fear is that one of my narrowminded views of the world could possibly interfere with someone getting to know Jesus Christ, and experiencing the Holy Spirit.

Being terrified of gay marrying, and being terrified of gay people are, to me, two different things.If you don't see black as being white, then fear has nothing to do with it. Some people feel that gays have as much right to marry as 2 monkeys.
Doesn't mean they are afraid of it. The subtly of the gradual. I am not teaching them to be homophobic, I am not predjudice, and the suicide rate of all teenagers is quite high, because parents just don't care enough. No, we should wonder, and examine why they reached that conclusion. Because if it is false, then that will only further encourage people to treat gay people differently.
If it is not false, then.....I think we should all examine why gasby, and the rest of you have turned this into the gay thread, when it was supposed to be a funny about how men treat woman back in the day.

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Being terrified of gay marrying, and being terrified of gay people are, to me, two different things.

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The former is a subset of the latter.If they weren't homophobic, they wouldn't have a problem with gays marrying.

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If you don't see black as being white, then fear has nothing to do with it.

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Thais makes no sense to me.

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Some people feel that gays have as much right to marry as 2 monkeys.
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Of course they fear it.They fear that heterosexual marriage will somehow be destroyed is gays are permitted to marry....just like many people used to (and many still do) fear that the purity of the white race will be diluted if blacks and whites are allowed to marry.

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The subtly of the gradual.

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This sentence no verb.Sorry, I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.What, specifically, do you think will happen to damage heterosexual marriage if gays are allowed to marry?

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I am not teaching them to be homophobic, I am not predjudice,

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Yes, you are, if you teach that you think it is wrong, and that it is going against God. This is similar to how people pass on racism to their children.Parents don't have to wear white hoods or use the word "nigger" to make it clear to their children that blacks as a group are not good people. Likewise, parents don't have to carry "God Hates Fags" posters at funerals for them to convey the message to their children that being gay is wrong and shameful.It is certainly your right to teach such things, but I wish you would just be honest and admit that this is what you are doing.

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and the suicide rate of all teenagers is quite high, because parents just don't care enough.

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The attempted suicide rate for gay teens is four times higher than that of hetero teens. We don't have a good idea of the completed suicide rate because they don't ask about sexual orientation on the death certificate. link

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How ignorant of you to think I don't.

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You do?What have you done?

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I don't have a problem with anyone getting paid what they deserve.

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Good.Does that mean that you would be willing to take a pay cut?

All points aside, I don't think anyone would argue with you that you have the right to bring up your children the way you want to, just like the parents of Lamb and Lynx Gaede. The real question is are these two girls given a chance at all to love all people (as your christ preached)?You can view the following youtube video to get a better perspective of these two young stars if you haven't already known about them.