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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mjfloresta writes: Let's suppose for a minute that Genesis was a fictional novel written by a writer of fiction That's exactly what I have been doing all along.
How would the genre of writing change how you read the text? It wouldn't.
... this is a work of fiction, therefore Mark Twain can't be saying that Huck Finn is actually rafting down the mississippi - It must be an allusion to life. Are you saying that Huck Finn isn't an allusion to life?
What forces that interpretation, whether the text is fiction or historical? What forces you to decide if a text is historical or fictional? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Did the authors intend it as history or as an explanation? I don't know and nobody knows. We are trying to figure out what happens in the story. It does not matter if it fits in with somebody's idea of God or if it fits in with what is just or anything else.
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mjfloresta Member (Idle past 5994 days) Posts: 277 From: N.Y. Joined: |
... this is a work of fiction, therefore Mark Twain can't be saying that Huck Finn is actually rafting down the mississippi - It must be an allusion to life. Are you saying that Huck Finn isn't an allusion to life? It might in fact be - if you can read that into the text and if you have evidence that the author intended it that way. None of that changes the first meaning that Huck Finn is actually rafting down the mississippi. You're using a supposed allegorical understanding of the Genesis text to REPLACE the plain meaning of the text. Edited by AdminJar, : fix broke quotebox
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mjfloresta writes: Genesis 1:1 - In the beggining God created the Heavens and the Earth That would seem to double as both an historical account and a causative explanation. I'm not interested in what the story claims to be. Treasure Island claims to be a historical narrative too. Once again ,the question is: What evidence do you have to indicate that the authors of Genesis intended the Adam and Eve story to be taken historically? Did they really believe in talking snakes? Did they really believe that two individuals can comprise a viable gene pool? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jar and others in another thread claim that the traditional interpretation--that God punishes Adam and Eve for eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (we can shorten this to KGE) is incorrect. And where exactly did I say that they were not punished? What I have said is
Please stop misrepresenting what others say. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you willing to stake your life on that? Hell yes. LOL Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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mjfloresta Member (Idle past 5994 days) Posts: 277 From: N.Y. Joined: |
Treasure Island claims to be a historical narrative too Excuse me? Where do you get that?
I'm not interested in what the story claims to be.
What evidence do you have to indicate that the authors of Genesis intended the Adam and Eve story to be taken historically? How can what the story claims to be and what the authors intend be different things?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: Did the authors intend it as history or as an explanation? I don't know and nobody knows. We are trying to figure out what happens in the story. That's just the point. If it's an explanation, then nothing "happened" in the story. If Adam and Eve were not real people, then they could not have been "punished". Their "punishment" would have to be an explantion for the status quo. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
And where exactly did I say that they were not punished? So they were punished? What for?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar writes: And where exactly did I say that they were not punished? to which robinrohan replied:
So they were punished? What for? Sorry robin but your reply is unrelated to the question I asked. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mjfloresta writes: Treasure Island claims to be a historical narrative too Excuse me? Where do you get that? From the first line:
quote: It's considerably more explicit than Genesis.
How can what the story claims to be and what the authors intend be different things? Again I give you Tresure Island. It claims to be a historical narrative. The author intended it as a fictional entertainment. Hint: Part of the fiction is the claim of historicity. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
If it's an explanation, then nothing "happened" in the story. If Adam and Eve were not real people, then they could not have been "punished". We are talking about a story. In the story, they can be punished. It's like asking, did Claudius poison Hamlet's father? Yes, he did. Did Hamlet kill Polonius? Yes, he did. Quite definite answers, you see.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Sorry robin but your reply is unrelated to the question I asked. Why were they punished, Jar?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: We are talking about a story. In the story, they can be punished. But it isn't a real "punishment". What does the "punishment" really mean? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
What does the "punishment" really mean? We are not talking about meaning. We are talking about the facts of the story.
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