The first 3 chapters of Genesis

Kinda like how a movie starts with a long shot to establish the scene and then zooms in on the main characters and action?

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Yeah, we have all this bullshit, but, Jar, why were they punished? You said you did not say they were not punished. Assuming you are not a sophist, that means they were punished. Why?

Exactly.They handled things different in other areas, the Flood myth includes at least two stories merged together, same with Exodus, but here, at the beginning they deal with the essence of the issue, with the very Nature of GOD. Here, they felt it so important that they included the two mutually exclusive stories, even though they could see the inconsistencies and conflicting character.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Jewish interpreters I've talked to recognize Genesis not just as a book of origins, but a book about family conflict. One sotry after anohter deal swith this theme. It starts with the first couple's loss of innocence at the beginning.One thing that's apparent to me, whatever interpretive approach people take: no one can say for sure what would have happened in the story if Adam and Eve made a different choice. One reason interpretations have proliferated through history is because Genesis doesn't spell out what a permanent stay in Eden would have involved. They didn't stay, so, as far as the story is concerned, it doesn't matter.One clear implication of the story: had they not disobeyed, they would not have been expelled and their lives would have been cushier, more innocent, and more ignorant. Going much beyond this entails conjecture. The traditions that have sprouted around the story in the centuries since? Conjecture as well--to try to settle theological issues or satisfy the curious.Genesis isn't in the business of telling us what would have happened if. It presents each story as is.Margaret Mitchell was constantly bothered by Gone With the Wind fans asking her if Rhett Butler ever returned to Scarlett. She said (I'm paraphrasing) 'The story ended with him walking out. That's the end of the book, and the end of the characters!'.Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo.Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity.

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Look at this nonsense. We are trying to come up with the facts of the literature, and we get this. We are trying to find out what happened in the story, but apparently this is troublesome. But it's obvious that Adam and Eve disobeyed God and were therefore punished.Stop this sophistry. I know it does not fit with modern ideas, but that's not the point of this thread.

I think the issue of innocence is very important. It forms the basics for everything that follows. It is the big difference, the Knowledge of Good and Evil, that is the basis of Theology. Only if Man is capable of knowing right from wrong is there any basis for the rest of the Bible.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Look what you've done! I cannot agree with Robin for fear of incurring your wrath - despite what Jar says reading like the manuals that used to come with Japanese equipment 20 years ago.

I agree with Robin that God punished Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:16-19. I don't have a problem with this either.

That's not the point. The point is that Adam and Eve disobeyed and were punished. Jar says this is non-sensical since A & E did not know right from wrong. But we are not talking about whether it is sensible or not, but only what the story relates.And that is what the story relates.Jar and others are trying to inject into the story what is not there---as they do with the New Testament. I can't think why. The only idea I have is that they want to hold on to the name of "Christian."Is that it, Jar?

The puzzle for me is why you spend thread upon thread trying to take the name "Christian" away from them.

Pleasure, pleasure--why does one do anything?

You seem very strange and very silly.

How am I silly? Do you do nothing for pleasure?

You're the one who's injecting what isn't there: a fictitious world in which there is child-free childbirth and work-free gardening.

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I think (in context) that its more a case of (Robins) God brushing aside (their) Adams fig leaf and asking them "have you eaten of the tree?" Of course Adam is going to point any and everywhere. Robin isn't Admin however and cannot banish them from the garden. That is where the analogy breaks down a little