YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread.

I knew if I googled someone would have done the research. I don't know Arabic but I do know Hebrew so I just wondered if the actual Qu'Ran uses "Lord" or some form of YHWH. I don't trust anyone who tells me what a textbook says. I hope you know Arabic. If so, what is the Arabic word for "lord"? All searches in English translations do not tell the truth about my bible texts: TaNaCH, Apocrypha, New Testament, Koran. No one can fool me in English, Hebrew, Spanish but they can in Arabic. So I can never trust a Muslim for what the Qu'Ran says. I don't have to trust a Jew or Christian, even an Israeli or the Vatican because with a dictionary I can KNOW. So can any person with this language knowledge. Seems like the military won't let the soldiers know the truth while they are in the Middle East. I asked someone why. They said they don't want our soldiers to think. Well, in Israel, the soldiers all think. They can argue about the bible in Hebrew, the original language of everyone's monotheistic God.I do know this and can't understand all the horrible fighting:Koran,[2:113]
The Jews said, "The Christians have no basis," while the
Christians said, "The Jews have no basis." Yet, both of
them read the scripture. Such are the utterances of those
who possess no knowledge. GOD will judge them on the Day
of Resurrection, regarding their disputes.=================================BTW, no one asks a Muslim what are the "scriptures" that these verses refer
to. The "scriptures" that are the source of the "utterances"?Well, it must be the following:[3:50]
"I confirm previous scripture - the Torah - and I revoke
certain prohibitions imposed upon you. I come to you with
sufficient proof from your Lord. Therefore, you shall
observe GOD, and obey me.

So I decided to search in my WINQT software, Koran, for both "god" and "lord". The results limit to 200 instances. There are over 200 instances each for "god" and "lord". So my only deduction is that the Jewish tribes back in the 6th century CE in Iraq, Iran, etc. used to pray just like we do today "Baruch atah adonai, elohaynoo". Blesed are you Lord our God". However, and no Christian nor Muslim knows this, this is not what the prayers actually say. It's "Baruch atah Y'H'W'H elohaynoo". So why don't Christians and Muslims know this from their leadership? People like Jesus and Muhammad. I just don't get it. I'm not speaking from a spiritual perception, my spirituality rests strictly on history. I must have the truth to be spiritual.

In THE BIBLE UNEARTHED, the authors call it the "Y'H'W'H ONLY" party.
BTW, since our discussion the Pope is doing his bit to educate. I think the Vatican endorses Talmud now. This means the end of the reign of Constantine. I smell the breath of the "secure the blessings of liberty" right now. I depend on the Vatican for truth because there are so few Jews on Earth and we all read the Torah Scrolls in over 200 languages. I wonder if it exists in Arabic?

Why is it more respectful?
What or whom are you respecting. Certianly not the intellegence of the 21st century children. Aren't you teaching them not to read Hebrew and to editorialize the textbooks? Doesn't that create hate and violence?

I started writing a long response but I suddenly realized the response to your final question is all I need to explain my passion about language. It's exactly that I can read the Torah Scrolls in the original and can have a private conversation with Y'H'W'H and a musical one at that, and no follower of RaMBaM can control what i do in my home and how I express my own intelligence which I paid dearly for myself when I was poor giving up many materialistic comforts.If all Muslims and Christians had the cdrom Trope Trainer which means they would have to at the very miniumum have the same Orthodox Jewish ed I had for 5 years (7-12 years old) which simply was learning to read Torah fast and accurately without understanding a single word, they would know that not saying Y'H'W'H is hateful and I don't have to say about provoking violence, because that Orthodox Legal Student who murderred Rabin speaks loudly for me. So in the name of Rabin I say Israel should promote the daily reading of the Torah Scrolls in all public schools in Israel and let kids say the words in the Hebrew Language of the Nation. The minute you substitute you are teaching people to be sneaky and then kill people if they are "sneaky". In the 21st century in an Anglo-Saxon universe this is the truth. I look forward to the Pope declaring this. That Jesus is the son of Y'H'W'H (which is not to be translated Jehovah In fact, ask Mel Gibson if I'm not right. My fellow Jews should have said this when his film came out but instead they didn't because they were afraid of the truth, not for me but for their own property rights. No one has property rights for the Torah Scrolls, they belong to the whole Earth, even atheists and Buddhists, etc. In fact, even Muhammad knew this and said so.That way we can get spirituality on the right course. Discussing the Neanderthal/HomoSapiens/Cro-Magnon evelution "under Y'H'W'H"
and "In Y'H'W'H we trust".

I just want to add this because I just found this out and I want to know if this is true or not. It certainly makes a lot of sense to me. Back in the 12th century, when Islam controlled all the geography of the "world", RaMBaM had to submit to Islam in order to survive. At that time the Church hated Jews too. So RaMBaM behaved liked a Muslim and practiced Judaism in private. No wonder he wrote he was completely exhausted from his lifestyle. He was the chief physician to the Islamic ruler. Jews didn't all agree with his Mishne Toreh and were about to perform a herem on him when some Christian Brothers burned hsi books and that's exactly why all Jews went solidly behind him to this very day. So when you think "Jew" you must be aware that the official annointed one/Christ of Jews is RaMBaM, so that's who you may be respecting. Not the Torah Scrolls. Yes the tradition was to keep Y'H'W'H a secret long before this. But that might be because you would be killed by the pagans if you pronounced the world. It was like a secret among the very first continuing sect endorsing ONE SUPREME BEING instead of many SURPREME BEINGS. It was necessary to go "undercover".
That doesn't apply today, because everyone is Jewish who uses Torah/Taurat as a basis for their spirituality. Jews have always fought each other in tribal form, just like borthers and sisters fight each other in a huge amount of families, for the favors of their parents.

well, I do have the Isaiah Dead Sea Scrolls analysis and there's precious little difference between them and the current Isaiah. I remember when my Rabbi saw the B'nai B'rith exhibit when the DDS first were announced. It was just a "scrap" and he was shocked because he could easily read it. Seems it may be true that all through those years when Constantine's authority ruled the world and people were put to death if they did Talmud Torah, that the Jewish scribes could be counted on to copy as accurately as possible so that even today you can use biblical Hebrew in Israel and the Israelis can understand you. Modern Hebrew was evolved from the Torah. You know, I recently understand why they say Torah is more than the First Five books of everyone's Bible. It really is. It's why there is so much more in the Bible. The entire bible after the first five books is about preserving the first five books as a basis for spirituality instead of sacificing to many gods. Now you have to understand that when I say "bible" I mean TaNaCH, Apocrypha, New Testament, Koran. I use two pieces of software, Parson's and Submission.org - Your best source for Submission (Islam) to get a list of verses by a single word like "torah" "law"(which is the Christian word for Torah, Christian, Jew, Jesus, kill, Israel. It's a great detective game for me. Both software puts the list on the clipboard so I can paste it all on one document.BTW, if I don't like the translation of the Hebrew TaNaCH by a language, I can look up the Hebrew word in my New World Hebrew/English dictionary myself and get the original meaning. Try it with your friends, it's a great way to learn ancient history and cultures in the Middle East when the world was simply the Mediterranean. Even St. Jerome realized this and said so by translating the Hebrew Bible himself becauser he thought the Septuagint was not trustworthy I just found that out last week. If it's good enough for St. Jerome, as a truth, it's good enough for you, you think?

Because archeologically, scientifically, it's a miraculous event. What are the chances that over almost 2000 years something written by people who are pretty much like the average Middle East current individual would write something that is preserved so well and so important in today's world.That gives me confidence in the basic honesty of human beings. It also gives me confidence in the Torah Scrolls and the Talmud.As for your comments about nothing making sense. Those people make more sense and exhibited more intelligence than you do. Look at the world they lived in, human sacrifice. These Torah Scrolls were the single docments that replaced human sacrifice with belief in themselves. These were living, bleeding human beings that recorded exactly how they lived. In fact, the Torah Scrolls are great for modern psychiatry. They also explain even today how the terrorists come to be.I had an Orthodox Jewish education but my single parent Mom who was brought up in an Orthodox family rebelled against it all. So she made me go to Hebrew School after she found out thay were teaching me Christianity in public school. Yet she told me I couldn't discuss anything I was learning with her. Of course, that's because women weren't allowed to study all this stuff in her days. So I was lucky to learn how to pronounce Hebrew. Later in life, I decided to take some classes in Hebrew Grammar. That's just a matter of luck that I got all this when I was young. I got my first bible at 20 YO. It was a bible suggested by the Director of Hillel who said he was shocking me by suggesting a Bible that had the New Testament. The reason was because Goodspeed's version was based on the most scientific archeological information of that time. So that's how I learned Christianity. It's not a matter of religion but of religion being forced on me by Jewhating Christians in ppublic school in Washington, D.C. That's what the Torah Scrolls are all about, not having religion forced on you and to think for yourself.For the last 25 years I've been trying to get the truth of the evolution of "under God". It was only in retirement that I had the time to do this. I looked into why we celebrate Khanookah. That's how I found out about the Apocrypha. I later found out that we Jews translated "almah" into "virgin". I found out only a few years ago that the Septuagint was written by Greek Jews. I found out last week That immediately after being commissioned to help write the Vulgate based on the Septuagint that St. Jerome, himself, probably felt the same way I did and decided, on his own, to translate directly from the Torah Scrolls/TaNaCH. So that gives me strength to recommend it to every one to take Hebrew. It's not a mythical knowledge, but extremely scientifically historical. Even Muhammad says so. I live in a world of human beings who are in control of global corporations and therefore my very life. These corporations use my bible to do this. So I use the original language of the source of the Bible and I can now prove I am scientifically correct that the Torah Scrolls are the source of all this because Muhammad even says so as late as 600 CE. Between St. Jerome and Muhammad supporting me, I feel great. I've been lucky to take a path all my life that turns out to be the correct one. I'm not close to being wealthy in material goods, but in brain wealth I've very lucky.So if anything I'm saying is scientifically incorrect I want to know.Thye authors of the Torah Scrolls, I repeat, tell us all the knowledge that existed in the Medtierranean over 2500 years ago.
Because they didn't have science at that time, it had to be the grapevine. If you lived back then, that's the only "library" you would have had. Remember it wasn't until 400 years ago that we are lucky enough to know the Earth circles the sun. It wasn't until 500 years ago that we knew there was Western and Eastern Hemisphere.It isn't until just now that we know that we are all derived from hydrogen. And how did hydrogen come to be? I won't say it's a god, a Lord, an El Senor, an adonai, but I will say it's Y'H'W'H. Just like these ancients did. It's as meaningful today as it was back then. It fits the Constitution's "secure the blessing of liberty". Y'H'W'H means "liberty" to me. It probably meant the same to the authors of the Torah Scrolls.

I think we are discussing what does it matter about old documents. Well, because I read every word and question every word in three languages, English/Hebrew/Spanish, (I use the dictionary for all), I will give an example of how important ancient documents are for each and every human being on earth. Right now we live under an ancient document in the USA, the Constitution. On Constitution Day, the Supreme Court Justice of the USA remarked that our Constitution did a single tremendous correction to the USA justice system. He mentioned the outlawing of slavery. He is absolutely wrong because until the 19th amendment, all females were considered 3/4 human.In fact, because of personal observations which turned out to be Al Quaeda in 2/2001, (found out about Al Quaeda in 9/2001), I decided to buy the Koran and read it myself. I was studying composition and was inspired by my first scanning of the Koran to compose "WHO AM I? ABRAHAM OR IBRAHIM? ISMAIL OR ISAAC". This has to do with binding of either Ismail or Isaac. After 9/2001 I composed "RED?WHITE/BLUE 19". That was the 19th amendment which gave me, among the first generation of USA females, the right to vote. So much for the New Testament and me. Y'H'W'H explains all this. Lord/El Senor does not. I suggest you read the very Jewish verses in Sirach:25 and 26 about females. I've discussed this with hispanics and they say that there is such a thing as "machoism" in the Hispanic culture.I add to the following Sura:[2:113]
The Jews said, "The Christians have no basis," while the
Christians said, "The Jews have no basis." Yet, both of
them read the scripture. Such are the utterances of those
who possess no knowledge. GOD will judge them on the Day
of Resurrection, regarding their disputes.Folks the Resurrection has occurred and it is the Nation of Israel and so has the Torah Scrolls because[3:50]
"I confirm previous scripture - the Torah - and I revoke
certain prohibitions imposed upon you. I come to you with
sufficient proof from your Lord. Therefore, you shall
observe GOD, and obey me.So Sura 2:13 has to modified to say that Jews, Christians and Muslims fight over the same scriptures. Just wish they would explain all this in our military colleges. Really great history of Earthy wars

That's the point, you don't add vowels. That's editorializing. It's not political rambling, it's scientific. You are a captive of so-called "experts" who are really politicians. You are really one scared individual. Talk to a linguist. You know Israelis don't use vowels.You avoid the whole subject because you don't want to recognize that all humans are gullible to a few individuals for what reason in the USA & U.K. & Israel I don't understand. In other countries I do. But the USA was the U.K. transported across the ocean. Think Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth. Hmmm, I thank you for this discussion instead of simply saying that I'm crazy. That's another new path. What the influence of English Queens have had on the Western Hemisphere. Now this is not rambling, it's called synergy & brainstorming. Also called multitasking. Also called parallel reasoning. Also makes me more lucky I happened upon the Encyclopedia Britannica when I was still in Jr. High. That was pure luck because the school system didn't want me to know about it. Another British influence. We all were lucky the British came over here and won out over the Spanish in this part of the Western Hemisphere.And come to think of it, what's the difference between this kind of communications and a stand-up comedian

If I write DVD referring to the Bible wouldn't you KNOW it meant David? That is if I wrote Dalad w/v Dalad. Could it mean anything else in the context? The whole Hebrew language is based on primarily 3 cuaracter root. No one knows if the WaW in Y'H'W'H is a vowel or not. They have played around with these 4 letters for centuries. They can't make it fit anything else in TaNaCH. It's even give a special name because it IS a mystery word - Tetragrammaton. I simly prefer to use the new linguistic tool used for such language problems and transliterate Y for yood, H for Hay, W/V for Waw/Vav, H for Hay like my Webster's New World Dictionary does. And to show that no one knows nor ever will know what it means, simply say Y'H'W'H. It certainly is a shortcut to the official label, tetragrammaton.Just realized something DVD is also used in Israel as knickname DooDoo, that takes care of the Vav being also a vowel When you say Y'H'W'H elohaynoo is there any doubt? Or Y'H'W'H is ONE El, can there be any doubt. But it doesn't have to be a Lord which makes a human image. Instead people can make it something special, like an extraterrestrial Or even the force that created Hydrogen which turned into us. I don't think a single scientist would have problems with this.BTW, today the JWR's newsletter cited an article that Judaism is not a religion. I didn't read the article but I agree. Which is the poiint of this whole discussion. It may be that Israel might start conceding that all Jews should not substitute Adonai any more since the State of Israel exists.

I carefully said DVD "in context". I don't have the facility to write in Hebrew fonts. It's really not necessary because transliteration into the lingua frenca is sufficient. D'V'D in context within TaNaCH is David. Show me another verse of dalad-vav-daled in TaNaCH when it doesn't mean David.You haven't broken down the grammar of Y'H'W'H to prove it's a subject predicate. You simply wrote in translation "Y'H'W'H asher (that is) Y'H'W'H". I think that's exactly what it MEANS. Period. No editorializing please. I wish I could take the time to find it right now, but there's a verse that says exactly that. The God of gods, the Y'H'W'H of Y'H'W'H's, which I just discovered recently. Can't be more specific than that. It was given to Moses as a label period. That's the Musical Torah Tale.The way the Muslims act about the Pope rationalizing Islam, shows how dangerous words are in the environment in the Middle East forever. What we call "terrorists" are really the living example of the universe the authors of the Torah lived in.That's how I understand the Torah Scrolls. BTW, it's not "Bible stories" as even my Orthodox Rabbis called them, but really Torah Stories. And everyone can sing them because they are on a cdrom now. It's a great way to learn Hebrew.A question: wasn't Deuteronomy influential in the construction of the USA Constitution. I have the impression from my pitiful research that the Freemasonry did respect Deuteronomy. I'm asking this question because of our wonderful brainstorming and it's becoming almost a legal discussion. If my impression of the mindset of the founding fathers of this country is possible, then perhaps this should be a part of Legal Education, especially Tractate Sanhedrin. We could all enjoy the synergy of USA Law schools in discussing Tetragrammaton.To give an example of breaking a word down:Main Entry: tetragrammaton
Pronunciation: ’te-tr”-”gra-m”-’tn
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Greek, from neuter of tetragrammatos having four letters, from tetra- + grammat-, gramma letter” more at gram
Date: 15th century: the four Hebrew letters usually transliterated YHWH or JHVH that form a biblical proper name of God ” compare yahweh
==============Note to my fellow USA citizens of the Muslim faith, I use the Koran legally too, with great respect, so it confirms that Torah should be part of the Constitutions of every country "under God/Allah". I remind y'all:[2:113]
The Jews said, "The Christians have no basis," while the
Christians said, "The Jews have no basis." Yet, both of
them read the scripture. Such are the utterances of those
who possess no knowledge. GOD will judge them on the Day
of Resurrection, regarding their disputes.3:50
"I confirm previous scripture - the Torah - and I revoke
certain prohibitions imposed upon you. I come to you with
sufficient proof from your Lord. Therefore, you shall
observe GOD, and obey me.

I will end here. I just want to thank you for your consideration and time spent. It's helped a lot. "In Y'H'W'H I trust" "under Y'H'W'H". I suggest for those who really don't use Hebrew easily, like myself, that the Webster New World Hebrew/English Dictionary is a great timesaver.

What's wonderful about the Webster is you can write in the lingua frenca and still be able to personalize and think Hebrew. Hebrew is a very simplishtic language. Full of capabilities of meaning two things at once. That's why there's so much down-to-earth humor in the culture. I composed selected verses from Psalm 22 my way using Webster's New World (Hayam Baltsam) and it mades Y'H'W'H my personal Torah consultant. Together with the Trope Trainer cdrom I've got a rabbi in my house. It's do it yourself Judaism. The other day I also got support from JWR newsletter that there are others who think Judaism is not a religion. So at last I'm not controlled by the "minders" of the world.After 25 years of this kind of home schooling, I've got the Pope on my side, JWR, always the Encyc Britannica all my life, the Webster, Trope Trainer, and a few humans who liked the way I think, understood and kept me trucking by suggested readings. The 21st century is wonderful. Israel will always be with us. As far as I'm concerned I am experiencing the Resurrection of RaMBaM in a nation that doesn't make me submit to Muhammad and excise tax me for simply writing this way. On top of it all I hope I will be able to read Dr. Warren Zev Harvey's editted translation of Rabbi Hasdai Crescas's OR ADONAI/(Y'H'W'H). That's the missing link in all this evolution of the Torah Scrolls. Even the missing link in the whole debate about creation vs evolution.When I was growing up the saying was the Torah Scrolls had all the information one needed. I've always thought that was silly. My research has corrected that impression. When Constantine created Christianity he did something equal to the Holocaust, he killed any Christian who managed religion via the Talmud Torah method. That is going to change eventually. The problem with my fellow Jews is they still think they have the property rights to the Torah.If Israel had included Talmud Torah for all Israelis and treated the Torah Scrolls as a library of ancinet history, the world might not be so violent. I'll never know if my theory is true or not, but it's a hopeful theory for me.My brain reminded me to add this evolutionary process which is part of my research and true.First to shorten your understanding I cite the history of the Platforms of the USA Reform Judaism movement now called Union of Reform Judaism.Because I got an Orthodox Ed (daily after public school) I fell in love with being able to read Hebrew myself. That gave me (on welfare) equality with all my peers. I also was raised without a male authority figure so this helped that way because I was studying with boys. The only difference was secret management of the Torah reading. Girls were excluded. I had no respect for the Washington Hebrew Congregation because they demeaned Hebrew and I thought that was not being democratic but authoritarian. I thought all Reform Jews were really "Christians". Then in 1993 my granddaughter who learned in a conservative synagogue and later was switched to a
Reform synagogue had a Bat Mitsvah on Shabbat and I was called to read from the Torah as well as my two daughters. I was in shock. In 1997 I joined the choir of Temple Emanu-El and experienced the entire change in the Platform of the Reform Movement.Today all Jews are united by a global agreement to participate in a universal Talmud management and "Trope Trainer" management of rituals and philosophy, in examining every single word of the Torah Scrolls. FINALLY!! That's why Israel will always exist!!
Edited by macnietspingal, : Added another fact.

That response tells me a lot about your education. Be careful, you are judged by the labels you use. Remember, I said I thought so too. I suggest you join a class like I did two years ago discussing Reading Tractate Sanhedrin from the Talmud. Until the '90's, all Reform Jews thought like you did. I did most of my life too. However, my recent purchase of the translation of Rashi and my participation in Talmud discussions groups has changed that "goofy" to "my goodness, I understand now." BTW, if there were a Talmud Koran in the Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Syria these poor Muslim souls wouldn't be "goofy" too. Muhammad observed scientifically the environment in the Middle East in his time. He was a true politican (together with his wealthy wife) and realized the power he could wield. You do know the Koran is not compiled in a straight forward manner. It is compiled with word counts and in order of length. I suggest you download the free one at Submission.org - Your best source for Submission (Islam) (Berkeley) and start your own detective search of the Koran. You might change your mind as I have done. I did the same with MEIN KAMPF and created a Jew file. Hitler was as crazy as Muhammad, both superb politicians.I'll give you my favorite quotes from MEIN KAMPF which gives me a scientific observation of Christians. I remind you that it is necessary to know that the scientific theory was that there was such a thing as transmission of intelligence by "race", in the blood at that time."Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable
stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin
the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it."
-Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1........"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will
of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am
defending the handiwork of the LordHere we meet the insolent objection, which is Jewish in its
inspiration and is typical of the modern pacifist. It says: "Man can
control even Nature."Here also everything is copied, or
rather stolen; for the Jew could not possess any religious institution
which had developed out of his own consciousness, seeing
that he lacks every kind of idealism; which means that belief in a life
beyond this terrestrial existence is foreign to him. In the
Aryan mind no religion can ever be imagined unless it embodies the
conviction that life in some form or other will continue after
death. As a matter of fact, the Talmud is not a book that lays down
principles according to which the individual should prepare
for the life to come. It only furnishes rules for a practical and
convenient life in this world.------------------The failure of this Party to carry into effect the dream of saving
Austria from dissolution must be attributed to two main defects in the means
they employed and also the lack of a clear perception of the ends they
wished to reach.The anti-Semitism of the Christian-Socialists was based on religious
instead of racial principles. The reason for this mistake gave rise to the
second error also.The founders of the Christian-Socialist Party were of the opinion that they could not base their position on the racial principle if they wished to save Austria, because they felt that a general disintegration of the State might quickly result from the adoption of such a policy. In the opinion of the Party chiefs the situation in Vienna demanded that all factors which tended to estrange the nationalities from one another should be carefully avoided and that all factors making for unity should be encouraged.