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Author Topic:   Archaeopteryx and Dino-Bird Evolution
Archer Opteryx
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Message 133 of 200 (347475)
09-08-2006 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by Someone who cares
09-07-2006 10:28 PM


the great Archaeopteryx hoax
I feel so loved...
Someone who cares:
Exactly! That is what this specimen of Archaeopteryx most likely was, just a dinosaur, and engravings of feathers in the rock! Oh, and look at how straight and almost perfect like those feathers are, nicely spaced apart, rarely overlapping, OOOPS! The engraver was soooo busy making it perfect, that he/she forgot to make it REALISTIC!
And such a loss to art history, too.
If Rodin had been in town the museum wouldn't have had to hire that grad student.
If that fossil was formed, there must have been a great force that did it, and if there was a great force, we would expect to see the feathers all overlapping and some broken and bent, etc, but this specimen doesn't seem to show this, does it? I mean, imagine a force strong enough to fossilize feathers, ( hmmm...) and what the creature's feathers would be like from such a tremendous force... This looks like a nice fraud done by some evolutionists desperately seeking for "proof" and wanting to get some big bucks from a museum...
Everyone knows about the big bucks to be made in paleontology.
What they don't realize is that we really do need the money. Professional sculptors are expensive.
As for another specimen, the one with the reptile like fossil, and a feather next to it: That feather was most likely imprinited in rock and then put together with the reptile like fossil, as the slab grade and bubbles and color, etc, show. Most likely this was a fraud as well.
And a lot of work to boot. You have no idea how hard it is to imprint a feather on limestone without damaging the adjacent reptile bones, and then getting the bubbles and grain to match so no one can tell under museum lighting. This kind of thing really keeps us busy.
And we're talking about a small fossil. I thought I'd never get those otter legs attached to our whale skeleton...
AND, even if it was a genuine fossil, it's still not a transitional fossil! I don't see any developing structures here...
Has anyone ever told you you have an amazing eye for art?
And you don't have any fossils that are transitional leading to and from Archaeopteryx, to show evolution, and to show that Archaeopteryx was anywhere in the "line" of evolution.
Actually we do.
We have Hesperornis by William Henry Rinehart and Compsognathus by Evelyn Beatrice Longman. We're especially proud of our Velociraptor, an original by Camille Claudel.
The museum recently acquired a number of new pieces, of course, including a Microraptor and Protoavis by the renowned Chinese sculptor Liu Zhengde.
AND, it could be just a bird. Some birds have teeth you know... And claws on thier wings...
You're telling me it's a dinosaur with fake feathers.... unless the feathers are real, and then it's just a bird?
Well, if the feathers on this Microraptor are real I want my money back. I paid for a genuine Liu.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 195 of 200 (351251)
09-22-2006 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Someone who cares
09-08-2006 9:09 PM


Keeping it real
S1WC:
Exactly! That's why I hold to the position that the more distinct specimens with feather imprints are fruad! My point! Reptiles don't have feathers! But engraving them wouldn't be too hard, and it pays well in the museums for a "transitional fossil."
It may interest you to know that the Archaeopteryx fossils are regarded as genuine even by the hard-core creationists at Answers in Genesis. They list your 'hoax' assertion near the top of their Arguments we think creationists should NOT use.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 197 of 200 (351571)
09-23-2006 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
10-04-2005 12:26 AM


Archaeopteryx & Four-Winged Flight
Archaeopteryx is back in the news again. Canadian Nick Longrich reports in the journal Paleobiology that the long feathers on the creature's hind legs were indeed flight feathers, making Archie a four-winged flyer like Microraptor gui.
Their dinosaurian hind legs could not be splayed for flight. This suggests that four-winged dino-birds held their feet close to their bodies and used their rear flight feathers as stabilizers in a configuration similar to that used by the Wright brothers in the first airplanes.
Microraptor in flight
(LiveScience)
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Links are all to LiveScience.
Todd Marshall is the artist of the Archaeopteryx image that provided the detail I use for my avatar.
The full-size image appears at LiveScience in the series 'Avian Ancestors.'

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 199 of 200 (351613)
09-23-2006 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by arachnophilia
09-23-2006 1:37 PM


Re: Archaeopteryx & Four-Winged Flight
A graphic accompanies the article that shows the configuration of Archie's leg feathers. No, they are not exactly like Microraptor's. In fact, the graphic makes the difference obvious. The interesting thing is that the involvement of leg feathers in flight appears not to be the exception in the earliest birds, but the rule.
The news is the publication of a study confirming the function of the leg feathers in flight. There is a catalog of features one expects to find on flight feathers and these fill the bill. It represents a further filling in of the picture. It is not that Archie sported long feathers on its legs and body that might have served a flight function. That's where we were before.
Naturally, all of this becomes more fodder for the debate about whether avian flight evolved from the ground up or the trees down.
Interesting stuff!
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : Clarity.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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