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Author Topic:   Is anyone else fed up with Muslims complaining all the time?
ReformedRob
Member (Idle past 5743 days)
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From: Anthem AZ, USA
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Message 126 of 152 (351906)
09-24-2006 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Chiroptera
09-24-2006 1:49 PM


Re: teach Islam Evolution
I would request you back up your statements
chiroptera writes:
Let's see. Radical Christians are, right now, enjoying some success in taking control of state institutions with the goal of enforcing their religious beliefs on the rest of us.
That's just ridiculous. We Christians are merely fighting for equal status in the country we founded. The evidence of this is the current tactic used Equal Access Act which states that if you give one group access in the public arena you have to give all access. The First Amendment is being abused to serve to try to sanitize Christianity from the public arena in America. The late Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Rhenquist succintcly summed up the situation on Wallace v Jaffree in 1985 stating the whole separation of Church issue needs to be revisited and the only idea then was not to have a National denomination of Christianity be the National Religion. The First Amendment is a unilateral protection of religion from government not the other way around. One can wear a shirt blaspheming God and it is free speech but if one has a religious symbol in favor of God such as a teacher wearing a cross then they are told to not wear it or be fired.
chiroptera writes:
"Radical Muslims" are, for the most part, intent on killing each other in the Middle East, have no means of projecting any political power in North America, and wouldn't even notice us if our army (and our proxies) weren't in their midst, usually to impose some agenda supported by the aforemention Radical Christians.
What would you call 9/11? No means? How about the Spanish tunnel bombings? The recently foiled plot in the U.K.? How about Iran developing nuclear weapons and defying UN orders not to? How do you feel about the US defending the muslims in Bosnia and Somalia?
the following is a private e-mail Professor of the U of Michigan sent to the demonstrating muslims on campus which I support:
"Dear Moslem Association:
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to
protest
your protest.
I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like
beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey), burning of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called "whores" in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris France.
This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many,
many, many of my colleagues. I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive,
brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile "protests."
If you do not like the values of the West -- see the 1st Amendment --
you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose
that option. Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them
up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.
Cordially, I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering"
So Chiro...you live in a country enjoying the freedoms supplied by the very people you claim to fear most. You are in a tree supported by the limb of freedom grown from the truck of liberty supplied by the radical christians you claim to be afraid of and are trying to saw off the limb that is holding you up.
So in answer to the original post, hell yeah I am disgusted by the whiny hypocritical muslims and support Professor Wichman.

"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

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ReformedRob
Member (Idle past 5743 days)
Posts: 143
From: Anthem AZ, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006


Message 128 of 152 (351952)
09-25-2006 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Chiroptera
09-24-2006 11:37 PM


Re: teach Islam Evolution
I live in the U.S. (just look on the side of the post just under my moniker 'reformedrob') and it was unquestionably founded by Christians. That might be a good topic for another thread. The Puritans came over and founded america for religious freedom. Even the states came about as reactions to religios freedom. The New England states were for reformed only...so non reformed formed the others which eventually included religious freedom for Catholics and others. The states at the time the Consitution was written each had a state denomination. There were over 200 founding fathers 12 of which were deists and the country was 99% Christian at the time.
There are soo many cases of discrimination against Christians it is stupid...are you really telling me that you are unaware of the nativity scene controversies? I'll find the actual court case cites for the examples I gave of the T-shirts blaspheming God being protected but anything in favor being banned.
And you horribly mischaracterize the fight going on right now. It isnt about getting public funds but about being excluded from the public arena all together.
And the best you can offer about the OP is that we wiretap those who are having conversations with known terrorist groups? That we interrogate suspected enemy combatants who dont get Geneva convention war protections because they dont wear uniforms and subject them to the same conditions that we do our own troops in training? That isnt torture it is discomfort. And that is worse than 9/11 and other attacks by Muslims beheading journalists and women with more attacks planned as you read this? That is your response?
I suggest you re-read the letter by the U of Michigan professor. And there is more to that story...the campus organization that was demonstrating about the cartoons is trying to get the prof kicked out for protesting their protest and national islamic organizations are joining the fracas. And you never responded to our protections of Islam in Bosnia etc...
The original OP was right on as is the professor.
Good nite and God Bless

"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

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ReformedRob
Member (Idle past 5743 days)
Posts: 143
From: Anthem AZ, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006


Message 130 of 152 (351962)
09-25-2006 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by jar
09-25-2006 12:24 AM


Re: Heading WAY off topic
Ever read the Mayflower Compact? Even the thanksgiving story is of the Pilgrims giving thanks to God. This is off topic but you are dead wrong, the victim of revisionist historians and I would love to start a new thread on this topic. The first settlements were by the Puritans who were seeking religious freedom. How about Jamestown? I also suggest you read the Supreme Court Case Holy Trinity v the US 1893 wherein the Chief Justice of the Supreme concluded after reviewing origin of the US, the state charters and constitutions of every state at the time, concluded with no dissenting votes that 'This is a Christian Nation'. Review the history of the founding of the original 13 colonies and their state denominations. it is a history of religious tolerance which now has degraded to the point that the secular humanists have decided that there is not enough room in the boat of tolerance and that the first ones in, the christians should now be thrown overboard.

"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

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ReformedRob
Member (Idle past 5743 days)
Posts: 143
From: Anthem AZ, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006


Message 133 of 152 (351971)
09-25-2006 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Chiroptera
09-25-2006 12:43 AM


Re: teach Islam Evolution
You assume it is NATO's job. It isnt those countries were not in NATO and it was the UN's job to do something. Had those countries been part of the NATO alliance they would have been entitled to NATO protections but they elected not to adhere to NATO standards, which would have helped prevent the problems in the first place, and as such had rejected NATO protections.
This is exactly why i agree with the original post. Look at all the whining by and for Islam when they contribute little to the world. Somehow even though the US after UN permission went in to stop a massacre it is somehow the 'Western' Nations fault as if prevention is our job. If we do that we get criticized that we arent the world's police and if we dont we get criticized. And what we do is never enough or thanked.

"...but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables"

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