Lebanon In End Time Bible Prophecy

I don't see how you can consider partially-fulfilled prophecies to be fulfilled prophecies.It's kind of like seeing a sign that says "New York" and assuming that you're near New York. But you might be in Missouri and the sign might just indicate the exit to New York.A "sign" of fulfilled prophecy doesn't necessarily indicate that the prophecy is near fulfillment.

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Nor was mine. Note the plural "prophecies".My point was that the very idea of "partially-fulfilled prophecy" is inherently nonsensical. Note the analogy. A "sign", even if interpreted correctly, is just a sign - it's not the destination. No, one could not - until all of the details of the prophecy are fulfilled. What if Israel collapses again and is dispersed for another two millenia? That would render the current "partial fulfillment" irrelevant. You almost have it. That prophecy has not been fulfilled. You are assuming incorrectly that it "is being fulfilled". What if "all nations" decide to side with Israel? That would render the current "partial fulfilment" irrelevant. Jerusalem has been the focus of the news "very often" for as long as I can remember. After half a century, the sense of impending doom is losing it's edge.I asked you once before about Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth and I don't think you ever answered. Lindsey had it all mapped out with Russia invading Israel, blah, blah, blah, exactly like the Bible foretold... except that his ideas seem rather out of date now.How often do you guys have to get it wrong before you begin to question your interpretation? Well, no. Two hundred years ago, Napoleon was the "prophesied" AntiChrist. Remember his campaign in Egypt?There is nothing new under the sun, especially the idea that prophecy is going to be fulfilled "in our time". At least wait for complete fulfilment. Don't grasp at every straw.Edited by Ringo, : Capitalized myself.

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As I have said, "certain aspects" are irrelevant.
They are like Lindbergh making it partway across the Atlantic Ocean - dead in the water. Nice buzwords. Of course, asking the questions is the only way to understanding.
All you're doing is jumping to confusions. What I'm saying is that the state of prophecy "fulfillment" hasn't changed in my lifetime - it's stalled at "partway". That ought to be an indication to you that the "end time" might still be a long way off. I recognized his nonsense as nonsense right from the start. Did you?I bet you were playing tuba on his bandwagon thirty-five years ago. When has Russia ever had a "tune" about invading Israel? Yes, the study of fiction can be a science.

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Ever read Rudyard Kipling's Kim?Takes place around 1900.
Seems the Russians were after India back then and the British were out to thwart them.Old news.

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"They" refers to the common soldiers - the ones who do the looting. Trying to distinguish "they" from "he" is grasping at straws. Sounds like an attack on the fortress, not the outer city. Never is a long long time. Tyre has been rebuilt. It had been rebuilt by the time Alexander supposedly "continued" the prophecy and it has been rebuilt again.The fact that Tyre exists today negates the prophecy all by itself.

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You haven't addressed the fact that Ezekiel predicted, three times in chapter 26, that Tyre would never be rebuilt:

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Eze 26:14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

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Eze 26:21 I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD.

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What part of "never" do you not understand? What part of "it's still there" do you not understand?Prophecy unfulfilled.

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That's not what it says.It says "thou shalt be built no more" - nothing is said about glory, past or present. It says "thou shalt be no more" - no time limit is given. It says "yet shalt thou never be found again" - but it can be easily found on Google Maps. The "many nations" clearly refer to the cosmopolitan nature of Nebuchadnezzar's army. Almost by definition, an empire consists of "many nations".There is nothing whatsoever in the text to suggest that the destruction would progress over many centuries. There is nothing whatsoever in the text to suggest that Tyre would be rebuilt between successive "waves" of attackers. I have no agenda, a priori or otherwise. I couldn't possibly care less whether the prophecy was fulfilled or not.You are the one with the a priori adgenda. You are so desparate for the prophecy to have been fulfilled that you make up "former glory", which is irrelevant, and successive waves of invaders spread out over centuries.None of that is in the text. It isn't "hypercriticism" at all. It's a plain, common-sense reading of the text.

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And what standards are you applying? What part of your argument has even touched on ancient language versus modern language until now? I'm just saying that the plain text reading doesn't require any figurative language to understand it. You are the one who wants to shove in such things to make it fit your preconceived notions. We're not talking about the Revelation. We're talking about Ezekiel. Don't run away. Not at all. We always have to start with a literal reading when there is nothing to indicate otherwise.And the narrow-minded view is yours. You're willing to bend over backwards, adding to and subtracting from the text to make it fit the interpretation that "must" be right.I'll say it again: I don't care one bit whether the prophecy was fulfilled or not. But a plain reading of the text indicates that it was not.You have still done nothing to explain away the fact that never means never. If there is some overpowering reason to believe that never doesn't mean never - for whatever linguistic or cultural reasons - then present that argument.

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Yes, the answer is obvious: never means never.Since you have not dealt with that issue, I'll quote the verses again:

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Eze 26:14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

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Notice that it says "thou shalt be built no more", not "thou shalt be a glorious city-state no more".And:

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Eze 26:21 I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD.

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Notice that it says "thou shalt never be found again", not "thou shalt never be a glorious city-state again".You're twisting Ezekiel's plain words to try to make a square-peg prophecy fit in a round hole.Edited by Ringo, : Spelling.

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If you're going to rely on the authority of "Hebrew scholars", you are going to have to cite them. No. That is not in the "context" at all. That's just what you're reading into it because you want the prophecy to be true. "Poetic language"? If a prophet says "the World Trade Center will be destroyed and will never be rebuilt", is that "poetic language"? Again, you're reading "poetic language" into the text to get the result you want. If Tyre was called "he", would never come any sooner? You seem to have lost the plot here. You're the one who is trying to convince people that the prophecy was fulfilled. Telling us what convinces you isn't very effective.Since the text plainly states that Tyre would never be rebuilt, the onus is on you to show that the plain text is really "poetic language" and that "never" doesn't really mean never.Just as an exercise, try reading the text without the preconceived notion that the prophecy must be true. See if you can really find a "context" that backs up your claims.

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But the point you are trying to make is that the city-state of Tyre would be no more. That is not what the test or the context says. It says it will not be built again. It refers specifically to the buildings, not just the political influence:

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Eze 26:12 And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water.

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It says that Tyre will not be found ever again, even though people look for it. People look for buildings - walls, houses, stones - not political entities.So your "painfully obvious" point is painful only to you. Not at all. Until "poetic language" or any other context-warping phenomenon is demonstrated, I have the plain English on my side: "Never" means never. Nor have you cited any Hebrew in your supposed "refutation". Until you can demonstrate that the English does not render the Hebrew accurately, you have no point.Edited by Ringo, : Spelling.

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I showed that the walls and the houses are specifically mentioned. You are ignoring the specific description of the physical destruction of the city.Since the houses have been rebuilt, the prophecy is not fulfilled. Any decline in political influence is utterly irrelevant.

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I'm not the one who said it. Ezekiel said it. Argue with him. I have responded to that: The "glory and political influence" are not all that Ezekiel was talking about. Until you address the permanent physical destruction of Tyre, your argument is dead in the water.

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