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Author Topic:   The world and evironment 5767 years ago.
Dr Adequate
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Message 16 of 100 (352080)
09-25-2006 11:30 AM
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09-25-2006 12:46 AM


Dunno. Perhaps the fossil record gives a clue. Whatever is fossilized in ALL the strata from top to bottom was on earth before the flood.

Please give an example of such an organism.


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Message 17 of 100 (352110)
09-25-2006 1:35 PM


Let's try to head back towards the topic.
I don't want to get bogged down in the Biblical Creation Myths, rather address reality, truth. What was the world like 5767 years ago?

For example, we know that the Naqada I, II and III cultures in Egypt died out around 5000 years ago.

We know that the Old Copper Culture of the Great Lakes region was producing knives and axes and jewelery.

We know that along the Pacific North Coast from Canada to California Salmon was used as a staple and also medium of exchange.

We know that extensive trade took place all across the US because shell beads from all coasts, Gulf, Atlantic and even Pacific were found in Indian Knoll, Kentucky.

What else is KNOWN.


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Message 18 of 100 (352118)
09-25-2006 2:09 PM


European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
Humans were making pottery and particular styles of pottery had developed in different areas, and spread out to cover pretty large areas. In Europe, dozens of distinctive styles of pottery had grown up.

Here is a map showing the distribution of various pottery styles across Europe around 6500 to 6000 years ago.


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Message 19 of 100 (352127)
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Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
No doubt more like 3000-4500 years ago, possibly even more recent.
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Message 20 of 100 (352128)
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Re: Let's try to head back towards the topic.
Much is known but not TIME.
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Message 21 of 100 (352130)
09-25-2006 2:36 PM
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09-25-2006 11:30 AM


Trilobites.

Dinosaurs.

Archaeopteryx.


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Message 22 of 100 (352132)
09-25-2006 2:38 PM
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09-25-2006 5:13 AM


Re: Departure angle
It's a science thread, and my perspective is Biblical. I'm not interested in getting suspended. Thanks anyway.
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jar
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Message 23 of 100 (352134)
09-25-2006 2:39 PM
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Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
No doubt more like 3000-4500 years ago, possibly even more recent.

And your evidence for that is?


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jar
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Message 24 of 100 (352135)
09-25-2006 2:40 PM
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09-25-2006 2:35 PM


Re: Let's try to head back towards the topic.
Much is known but not TIME.

And your evidence for that is?

Faith, this thread is designed to deal with truth, with a glimpse of what the world looked like 5000-6000 years ago. If you have something to contribute, please do so, but don't simply wnader in and make unfounded assertions.

For example, we know that by 4000 BCE, about 6000 years ago, horses had been domestcated. We know this from signs of briddle wear on their teeth. That tells us that they were being directed, and that technology had moved beyond simple harness or head rope to some mechanical in the mouth bit.

Edited by jar, : add bit about bits


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Message 25 of 100 (352140)
09-25-2006 2:44 PM
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09-25-2006 2:38 PM


Re: Departure angle
Faith, I might get a warning or something from what I'm going to say here, but oh well. I no longer believe that you're a christian. You are either a spoof, parody, devil's advocate, or literally a crackpot. Even the worst of the worsts I've met don't actually believe the things you claim to believe.

So, please stop your act and leave the rest of us mortals alone.


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Message 26 of 100 (352144)
09-25-2006 2:47 PM
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09-25-2006 2:36 PM


quote:

Trilobites.

Dinosaurs.

Archaeopteryx.


NONE of these are found in all strata. Trilobites first appear in the Cambrian and are not found after the Permian. There are no dinosaurs before the Triassic, and unless you include birds none are found after the Cretaceous. Archaeopteryx is only found in the Jurassic.

A far better candidate would be cyanobacteria. I doubt that there is anything more complex which you could even hope to find in all geological periods.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 27 of 100 (352145)
09-25-2006 2:48 PM
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09-25-2006 2:36 PM


Trilobites.

Dinosaurs.

Archaeopteryx.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

Which is of course why you can produce no evidence for these claims.


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jar
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Message 28 of 100 (352158)
09-25-2006 3:13 PM


Please Folk
Let's try to stick to the world as it existed about 6000 years ago.


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Message 29 of 100 (352183)
09-25-2006 4:32 PM
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09-25-2006 3:13 PM


Niagara Falls
"The Niagara Glen is today a favourite site for thousands of visitors each year. It is a beautiful picnic area located on the top of the Wintergreen Flats and nature trails to the river below are well marked and plentiful.
This is the site of the Falls of Niagara 6,000 - 7,000 years ago. The water falls at this point was 37 meters (120 feet) to the water pool below."

Niagara Falls History

The Maid of the Mist tourist log would have had to embark passengers about 2 miles further downstream from the present Falls site. I'm not sure how much wampum a ticket was back then. The cheesy tourist museums didn't have too many exhibits.

(:raig


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Message 30 of 100 (352277)
09-26-2006 12:02 AM
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09-24-2006 8:55 PM


North America
The Plains Archaic culture dominates the great midwest at this time. They remain essentially neolithic - North Americans won't develop copper technology for another 4000 years. They are nomads, not yet settled into permanent or semi-permanent villages. On foot, as the last of the North American Equus species has been gone for millenia, alongside Mammuthus, the glyptodonts, camelids, notungulates and the vast majority of North American megafauna who survived the great ice.

These people are different from the Clovis migrants, the Folsom people, and the Plano culture which preceded them. They have derived two signal innovations, and have undergone a third, more subtle change. Their great technological achievement represents the first true innovation in hunting technology since the invention of the spear: the atlatl, or throwing stick. There is speculation that this innovation was forced on them by the requirement to change their hunting tactics - the last of the naive megafauna, Bison antiquus was hunted to extinction by the Plano peoples. A switch to the much more wiley and dangerous Bison americanus, as well as the need to rely on smaller, fleeter game, rendered the old systems obsolete.

Their second great innovation was grain milling. For the first time in the archeological record of North America, the use of grinding stones and platforms becomes commonplace. Although still small and portable, and using wild vice domesticated grains, this innovation marks a shift from pure gathering to processed foods - the first step toward agriculture.

The third, less obvious cultural change was the establishment of fixed migration routes. Whereas they remained mobile and nomadic, there is evidence to indicate that this culture began returning to the same locations at the same times - the first step toward adopting a sedentary, settled existence.

Edited by Quetzal, : weird grammar


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