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kuresu
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Message 10 of 33 (352995)
09-28-2006 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Christian7
09-28-2006 7:17 PM


Re: A foothold out of solipsism
just don't do what Descarte did--stop thinking. Once he did, he stopped existing
Why does empathy have to be linked to there being only one consciousness? It doesn't.
There is an objective reality. Here's why. Does the universe stop existing once you die? Of course not. I still exist, nevermind that I've lost three grandparents. When I die, the universe will still continue to exist. Furthermore, what sense does it make to exist in a world that is x years old, if you yourself are only less than x years old? My brother will live after I die. My children will. You will. You could say, as a counter, that I am just imagining them die, and that they never existed to begin with, except as a figment of my imagination. Well, how can I imagine my grandads experiences in the military? My grandmothers experience with kids? My brother's life while I'm not with him? WHy would I go to all the trouble of creating histories I know nothing about? I wouldn't. I don't know half the stuff my grandfather did, and I'll never know. And yet, he lived his own, complete, existence.
Point put simple--there is an objective reality. It exists because the universe has existed before and will after I live. It exists because others who live while I am alive have their own, complete, experiences, of which I will never know anything about. That last bit is important, because why would I, rationally that is, create so extensive a world I will never know?

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kuresu
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Message 27 of 33 (353621)
10-02-2006 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Christian7
10-01-2006 5:33 PM


Re: I think I solved the riddle.
last time I checked, asking a question is not making an assertion. seeing as how an assertion is a statement . . .
you are on drugs
vs.
are you on drugs
which is the assertion?

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kuresu
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Message 28 of 33 (353622)
10-02-2006 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by mike the wiz
10-02-2006 10:11 AM


Re: I think I solved the riddle.
the only premise that would make it fall apart is p2. I haven't been paying attention ot this thread too much, but there needs to be a different premise there. there is an objective reality, and it is logical, though I can't exactly remember what it was (the proof, that is). (something to do with trees in the forest, I think)

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