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Author Topic:   Why do Christians make God out to be dumb?
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Message 233 of 259 (353210)
09-29-2006 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Taz
09-29-2006 3:20 PM


god went through all the trouble of creating the fundamental laws of physics, biology, genetics, etc. and then demand that we not investigate any of those things and just call them all magic isn't about morals or values. It's just stupid,...
God did no such thing.

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Message 241 of 259 (353289)
09-30-2006 2:45 PM
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09-30-2006 12:40 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
I'm past being surprised at anything jar says, but it is remarkable that someone who apparently treats the Bible as a book of lies except for the resurrection could call it inspired.

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Message 242 of 259 (353290)
09-30-2006 2:55 PM
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01-30-2004 11:11 AM


Oh the glorious dumbness of God
jar writes:
There are though many Christians that make God appear both dumb and cruel. The idea that Jesus died as a condition of GOD forgiving Man and then making it selective and conditional so that the sacrifice only has meaning if some other condition is satisfied is a good example. It makes God look silly, childish and petty.
1Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Cr 1:20 Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Cr 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Cr 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cr 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
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Message 244 of 259 (353292)
09-30-2006 2:59 PM
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09-30-2006 2:57 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
I don't think jar considers it a book of lies. My impression is that he does not think it was intended to be taken as literal truth, or as accurate historical reports.
Which means lies really. Unless you're into it all depending on what the meaning of is is.

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Message 248 of 259 (353300)
09-30-2006 4:32 PM
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09-30-2006 4:25 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
Your assertion that if it is not literal truth, it is lies -- well that's wrong. That is opinion that you are imposing yourself.
I'm in good company then. So many illustrious Christians of the past and present and I are all wrong together then.
Jesus told parables, but the Bible isn't parables otherwise, which ought to be obvious.
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Faith 
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Message 251 of 259 (353306)
09-30-2006 5:36 PM
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09-30-2006 5:26 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
It isn't literal history, either. Part is poetry, part is story, part is metaphor, part is symbolic fantasy.
NONE of it is symbolic fantasy -- symbolic yes, lots of it is that, some of it hidden from most interpreters, but fantasy, no. MOST of it is literal history. The psalms and wisdom literature are easily identified as such. The only parts that are stories are where somebody is clearly telling a story; if it has no identified teller it is not a parable or a story. Metaphor abounds, but any kid can tell the difference between reality statements and metaphor unless liberals mess with his mind.
One should read it, as one should read any literature, in accordance with the principle of charity.
Absolutely. And that's how we evangelicals read it, according to its obvious intentions.
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Message 254 of 259 (353381)
10-01-2006 1:27 AM
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10-01-2006 1:09 AM


I meant what I said
I guess you're one of those who just comb the scriptures for the scary harsh statements so you can complain about them, without bothering about context, getting a picture of the whole. Funny you think your knee-jerk take on it means anything in the context of 2000 or even 3000 years of millions of people who really understand it. Yes, God said those things, ordered those actions. They are incredibly harsh, they make a person cringe at the harshness. But they ought to tell you something about the fate of unrepentant sinners in the hands of God. This is serious stuff here.
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Message 256 of 259 (353389)
10-01-2006 1:57 AM
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10-01-2006 1:55 AM


Re: I meant what I said
God's judgments of humanity are not immoral. That is not only absurd it is blasphemous. They are terrifying, that's for sure.

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