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Author Topic:   Why do Christians make God out to be dumb?
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Message 228 of 259 (353155)
09-29-2006 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by ringo
09-29-2006 2:30 PM


Why is a "sacrifice" necessary? How does a sacrifice relate to the poison analogy at all?
The biblical text comes from an earlier era, a time when the natural way of dealing with a problem was to make a sacrifice to the gods. So the idea of a sacrifice presumably made sense to people of that era. It doesn't make sense today.
It isn't so much that God is made out to be dumb. It is the fundamentalist Christians who reveal themselves to be dumb, by virtue of the way they keep trying to hold onto that antiquated story line.

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Message 239 of 259 (353276)
09-30-2006 12:40 PM
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09-29-2006 10:11 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
robinrohan, responding to jar, writes:
I was rather shocked to find out recently that you think the Bible was inspired by God.
I'm wondering why you think that shocking. It is what I would have expected, based on jar's posts.
Note that inspired does not imply inerrant.

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Message 243 of 259 (353291)
09-30-2006 2:57 PM
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09-30-2006 2:45 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
I don't think jar considers it a book of lies. My impression is that he does not think it was intended to be taken as literal truth, or as accurate historical reports.

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Message 247 of 259 (353299)
09-30-2006 4:25 PM
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09-30-2006 2:59 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
Which means lies really. Unless you're into it all depending on what the meaning of is is.
The question of what the meaning of "is" is, actually is a very serious question. The right wing idealogues who ridiculed it only demonstrated their own ignorance of language and its complexities.
Your assertion that if it is not literal truth, it is lies -- well that's wrong. That is opinion that you are imposing yourself.
If what is not truth is lies, then Jesus was a liar. After all, he told parables.

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Message 250 of 259 (353305)
09-30-2006 5:26 PM
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09-30-2006 4:32 PM


Re: The believe at the time ...
So many illustrious Christians of the past and present and I are all wrong together then.
'fraid so.
Jesus told parables, but the Bible isn't parables otherwise, which ought to be obvious.
It isn't literal history, either. Part is poetry, part is story, part is metaphor, part is symbolic fantasy.
One should read it, as one should read any literature, in accordance with the principle of charity.

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