Logically speaking: God is knowable

There is a difference.You are a self confessed evangelist, so now, by your own reasoning, are telling others what they MUST do because YOUR circular reasoning forces you to. You are essentially forcing your unknowable Truth on to others as Truth when you freely admit that it is based on self delusion, this is something that Christian churches have a very dark record on since the 3rd century.I am all for people having hobbies, but should these people really force these hobbies on to others and call them evil and depraved because a part of their hobby suggests this?You should take up snooker or pool, something a bit more productive than this Christianity lark Brian.

But you are ignoring what I said.Your hobby essentially consists of insulting people's intelligence if they don't believe everything in the Bible.Criticising their way of life.Condemning their morality.All this and you don't know if you have deluded yourself or not?You don't see Trekkies going around slagging people off. But you haven't shown that this is possible, if anything you have shown that it is impossible because our senses and thoughts are unreliable!If you know God exists, as in the Christian God, then it means that Allah doesn't exist. Thus, a Muslim cannot know that their God exists because Allah cannot exist if your God does, and there are a great many Muslims who 'know' that Allah exists, therefore your God Yahweh does not exist.Surely you can see how you have falsified your own argument? Not on this occassion mate.Edited by Brian, : No reason given.

Oh I have been paying attention, and we are way back at the position I stated last week. You do NOT know that God exists, you BELIEVE that you know God exists.If your senses are not reliable then we do not know anything for sure, which is pretty much the Buddhist stance.But, as has been pointed out, what is the point in claiming to know something exists then saying it may not be true? The problem I have is that if everything is an illusion, we cannot know anythig for certain, and relaity is a construct of our own mind then why do so many negative events occur in our lives. If I am constructing a reality out of my own thoughts and emotions I can assure you that reality would have no religious groups in it and I'd be having a threesome every night with Audrey Hepburn and Shakira! So next time I am in court I will tell the judge that he cannot be sure if I even exist so how can he send me down?Oh of course, the judge may not exist either!Have you ever read William James' Varieties of Religious Experience? You would enjoy it. But we would be fools to trust that He has overcome them wouldnt we?Brian.

There's no difference, but that isn't what Ian is saying.Brian.

The limitations of my logic will do me fine as well, so now I am certain that Jesus was a gay con artist who lied to make an easy living, was found out and crucified as a common criminal by the Romans.It's all true because I know it to be so and it satifies my logic.Brian.

And when that shilling used to appear under my pillow whenever I lost a tooth means that the Tooth Fairy exists!Brian.

How can you be aware of something that MAY not exist?Brian.

No probs bud. Got a fright when the page reloaded Many ladies have said the same thing. Brian.