Logically speaking: God is knowable

Couldn't that work the same the other way though?The person could know that god does not exist. That is not to say he doesn't exist. They could be deluded. Their being deluded doesn't mean they do not know god does not exist. It has nothing to do with it.Eh?If your gonna say its different becuawse logically we can't know something doesn't exist then I would say that it is the same for know something does exist. We can't really know anything.Wadaya think?

Iano,When you say that one can know that god exists but one cannot know that god does not exist, I think you are using two different definitions for the word 'know'.All,As far as the 1 to 7 scale. Lets apply it to something other than god for a second. One cannot say that they know something does not exist, so being an absolute 7 is impossible. One can, however, know that something does exist. Being an absolute 1 is possible. Now, when we apply this scale to something like god, and absolute 1 is no longer possible and the 1 and 7 positions become the same. But, I'd still say there is a difference between the 1 and the 7 position, because if applied to something ungodly, you can be more certain of something existing than of something not existing.

I have no idea what god's capabilities are. IMHO, he is capable of anything, so yes, I believe god is capable of supplying evidence unto knowing. However, I maintain that an absolute 1 is not possible WRT the existence of god. It is something that has no proof and requires faith and belief, no facts or data. You cannot 'know' in the true sense of the word, in the absolute 1 sense of the word. It isn't really knowing, its thinking you know.

nor knowing that god doesn't exist. How is that different?

A few points to make:1) Knowing everything does not make you God.
2) When you describe 'knowing' as this:

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Knowing something does not mean that actually is the case. Not my knowing God exists, nor a Muslim knowing Allah exists, nor you knowing there is a computer screen on front of you.

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Knowing is the best anyone can say regarding their own certainty. The highest court in anyones land. But that doesn't mean a thing if the objective reality one resides in is not in fact objective. Which of us is deluded, you, the muslim, me. There is no way to tell for any of us (unless of course God exists - then we are not reliant on our assumptions about reality. He can overcome them - being God)

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Lets not put knowing above its station huh?

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then you wouldn't have to know everything to claim that station of knowledge. So I still don't see how they are different. And it still seems like you are using diferent definitions of 'know' for knowing god exists versus knowing he doesn't.3) With an accepted defnition of knowing something, you wouldn't have to know everything to 'know', by your defintion, that god doesn't exist.Does knowing that god doesn't exist require you to know the 145 digit in the number pi, or what I had for lunch yesterday, or what Homer Simpson's last line in episode 92 was? Why would you have to know these things to 'know' that god doesn't exist?

Awe, shucks I'll be looking for your reply tomarrow, to points 1 2 AND 3

I don't know.[smartass]
You're the one who knows him, why don't you ask him.
[/smartass]I don't get it. Is that a soccer reference? /nod