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Author Topic:   Does immunity disprove the fall?
jar
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Message 8 of 66 (353662)
10-02-2006 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AnswersInGenitals
10-02-2006 1:33 PM


no it does not disprove the Fall,
Since neither death or disease are part of the curses found in Genesis 3 the issue of immunity would be moot. As referance here are the pertenent sections of Genesis 3.
16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."
17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."
There is nothing in those that has anything to do with disease or other than the acknowledgement that after you die your body will return to the earth. Neither appear as anything new or related in anyway to the curses of Genesis 3.

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jar
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Message 18 of 66 (353696)
10-02-2006 4:56 PM
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10-02-2006 4:39 PM


Re: no it does not disprove the Fall,
You can of course select anything as your starting premise. I just wanted to point out that while some people might "strongly feel from their study of genesis that disease and death did not exist before the fall, but were invented at that time as part of the punishment", that that is simply false and NOT in the punishments as described in Genesis 3.

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jar
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Message 25 of 66 (353739)
10-02-2006 8:23 PM
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10-02-2006 5:29 PM


Re: no it does not disprove the Fall,
But this is the whole story of creation told (twice) in less than a page.
First, even if that were true, it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
Just because details are in short supply, are we to understand that there were no details to provide?
Again, a pretty silly assertion. If something is not there it is absolutely dishonest to make up something to stick in.

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jar
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Message 60 of 66 (354303)
10-05-2006 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by AnswersInGenitals
10-05-2006 12:09 AM


Still just making things up
Given this, perhaps the immune system was the agent of god's punishment that brings suffering and death.
Once again, unless you can show where suffering and death are part of the curse in Genesis 3 other than the issue of childbirth, there is simply no connection to be found. In case you have forgotten, here once again are the verses, this time from the KJV.
16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

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