Does immunity disprove the fall?

I hadn't thought about it until you asked, but my answer would be that Adam and Eve would have had a perfect immune system, as they would have been perfectly invulnerable to any harm that could conceivably have come to them from their environment. A big part of the devolution since the Fall, then, would be the gradual destruction of the immune system, but we still have quite a bit of protection left. Interesting in this context to consider that recent diseases specifially attack that system. God has always had mercy on his erring human creation and supplied knowledge of medicines of various sorts. He clothed his disobedient first couple with protective skins, and cursed the earth for their sake. He never stopped loving his human creation. I personally believe that the great proliferation of medical knowledge particularly in the West over the last few centuries is God's specific blessing for our Christian past. Which means I think we are on the way to losing that blessing as we have been losing our Christian identity.

Your guesses aren't far off.

Well, that's very good to know, Ben, thanks. I actually had the thought that if I stopped snapping at people I might get boring -- not too seriously but I did have it. Glad to see that's wrong.

Boosting mechanisms from environmental influences doesn't contradict anything. We're still talking about a TREND. The system is extremely complex.

Yes, of course. God is omniscient and omnipotent. He would have planned for all contingencies down to the last moment on earth. Certainly. Good reasoning from the Biblical evidence I would say.

Excellent reasoning, AiG. Since your nom de plume suggests hostility to Biblical creationism I'm very surprised, but also very pleased to see that an opponent can think it through so clearly.

Strictly speaking you are correct. In fact I wondered if I should use the word. I decided that it makes sense from the human point of view. We think in terms of contingencies that would arise from an event. God sees them all at once of course so they aren't contingencies but it's reasonable for us to speak of them in such terms.

He did not make men flawed but perfect, and with free will. This is the consistent error so many of you commit. It is not a flaw to have free will and therefore the nearly inevitable ability to disobey God, but it is only inevitable because we are creatures. So many here will insist that this is a flaw against all argument, so I don't argue it often, but I strongly disagree with that idea. It is impossible to start with the Fall in place since it is the result of the action of disobedience. The Fall was simply what eventually happens to a creature given free will. We cannot resist disobeying at some point. God's plan still gives us a choice -- to choose His method of salvation or not, so that it is still up to us. In the end only those who really want God will have Him, and God will have people who truly love Him and worship Him. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning