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Phat
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Message 29 of 33 (353824)
10-03-2006 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Christian7
10-01-2006 5:42 PM


The Guido Syllogism
Guido writes:
I think I am almost fully intellectually sastified. Help me clean out all the imperfections of my argument and provide a solid proof for what I wish to believe. And that is that the world exists and that other people are conscious. WOOT!
I am glad that you are happy, Guido. You are seeking intellectual and spiritual reassurances, and have gotten quite a warm and overwhelming response from some of us at EvC.
There are many reasons why a young man your age goes through all of this angst. I will, however, not attempt to stereotype you as a typical 15 year old. You have had many challenges in your life that are unique and that have caused the anxiety which you have.
I recall my own turmoils when I was your age and slightly older. My Father died when I was 17. I consciously did not let the event affect me as I felt I was able to cope without him....but his presence was sorely missed! He had gotten cancer and died within a year after. At least I had some time to prepare....
Mike The Wiz writes:
The Guido Syllogism
---Guido is in the world.--- (fact)
P1. People are in the world via Guido's observation.
(Since Guido's consciousness inteprets other people from his bodily senses)
P2. The person owns consciousness (like Guido baba)
P3. Peter(whom Guido observes) is regarded under category "people"
Conclusion: Therefore Peter is in the world, and is a person whom is therefore conscious.
I think that's valid. Maybe someone could confirm that for us.
I think it sounds logical, Mikey!
As I read between the lines of logic, I believe that what you (Guido) are asking us is: Am I alone with my feelings, or are there other people in this world who actually exist in that they are personal to me?
We have always been taught that Jesus is personal, and I think it would be fair to include and accept Him in our hearts and minds.
Beyond Jesus, however, we humans can only interact either in person or on forums such as this.
It is never good to be alone.
Keep communicating, Guido. And if you ever DO find yourself on drugs---either by mistake or on purpose----don't hide it from me.
Also say hello to your Mother for me.... give her a hug, in fact! She surely exists and you can thank God that she does! (We can prove that she exists by the fact that you exist.)

“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis

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Phat
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Posts: 18338
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
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Message 30 of 33 (356879)
10-16-2006 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Phat
10-03-2006 6:55 AM


Re: The Guido Syllogism
One more thing, Guido. Communication is itself a good thing. The reason that we are tough on you hanging out at EvC during school hours is because ....well let me explain it.
You are at a crucial emotional spot in your life. Virtual friends can do little for you. In order to find help and emotional support, you need real people that live where you live. People who you can talk to and who can interact with you and Mom and the family.
I understand and remember what it was like to be 15. 10th grade was not easy for me. I had a few friends, but I had many more who did nothing but tease me and ignore me as if I was less of a person than they were.
I was angry. I isolated myself from the world. If I had had internet back then, I may well have found an oasis in a place such as EvC.
Its good to talk to people and share emotions and insights. Its good to get advice from older people. BUT....
It is avoiding the issues in your own life. Virtual people can only give you words...as I am doing now. You could read a book that explained things better than I can. You can look up knowledge and advice and concepts and beliefs in encyclopedias and online sources...as well as a Library. (My sister is a Librarian)
More important, you can find some new hookups in your town and church and neighborhood. Perhaps a teacher or a Pastor...or someone that can really help you understand and navigate through the minefield that is 15...and 10th grade...and a crazy life!
In conclusion, we are not ditching you. We are pushing you towards better solutions. If I lived where you do, I would be able to help you more than I can 1000 miles away. My prayer is that you find some mentors and good friends that can help you get it together. You are a good writer, and you should be aceing your school. I think...no wait. I KNOW that you can do it, Guido.
Edited by Phat, : clarification

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