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Author Topic:   Commonalities Of Accounts Of A Universal Flood?
jar
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Message 9 of 92 (353707)
10-02-2006 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
10-02-2006 2:31 PM


There are flood stories from many parts of the world, but I know of no commonality across them. The Biblical story is certainly a retelling or variation of the Gilgamesh Saga, but even there only the idea that there was a big flood and a boat is common.
The important point is that there are place that do not have a world-wide flood myth, an annomaly that refutes any world-wide flood. In addition, areas such as Egypt that depended on annual floods and that had a high level of civilization at the supposed time of the Biblical Flood just plain didn't notice it.

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Message 53 of 92 (353933)
10-03-2006 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
10-03-2006 2:55 PM


Re: Stealing Fire From Heaven
What does this have to do with the universal stories of a one-time flood that killed all living things?
So far you have made the assertion that there are such universal stories, but have not supported it.
Can you provide us links to all of those "universal stories of a one-time flood that killed all living things?"
Until you can provide us with evidence all we have is yet another unsupported assertion. We cannot compare the alleged stories until we have copies of them to compare.

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jar
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Message 55 of 92 (353993)
10-03-2006 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
10-03-2006 6:30 PM


Re: I've already given the support for this point
I'm sorry Faith but there is absolutely no support there. All you have is unsupported claims that there are such stories. They do not even referenjce original sources for the stories or show some peer reviewed source. All I see is the typical unsupported assertions.
Further, there are many areas where such myths do not exist. Egypt is a great example. There floods are seen only as beneficial and it is the failure of a flood that is noted.
We still need some peer reviewed source and not some nutsite like nwcreation.net.
They also get the story screwed up. The flood in the Zeus myth only lasts 9 days and is mostly the coastal plains and foothills where the folk lived. There are folk left, for example they consult and oracle right after they get off the boat. No animals are saved.
The point is Faith that none of the flood myths resemble the Biblical Flood Myth just as the Biblical Flood Myth differs from the far earlier Gilgamesh saga. There is far more variety between the stories than similarities.
So far you have shown NO support for any universal flood.
If that's all you got, I don't see where there is much to talk about.

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jar
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Message 58 of 92 (354006)
10-03-2006 7:31 PM
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10-03-2006 6:52 PM


Re: I've already given the support for this point
I have. I provided links to the Epic of Gilgamesh many times here at EvC, and that was written down long before the myth in the Bible.
Here is a link to the twelve tablets of the Epic. We know that the tablets date to 2700-2500 BCE and we actually have evidence that there was a flood in the area sometime between 2900 and 2700 BCE.
The Biblical Flood myths didn't come to their present form until around 500 BCE, over 2000 years after the Gilgamesh Epic was written down. In addition, unlike the actual supporting evidence of a flood for the Epic of Gilgamesh, there is NO evidence that supports a Biblical World-wide flood and lots of evidence that refutes it.
There are many flood myths, but until you provide us with the originals we cannot compare them to see if there is any correspondence.

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Message 61 of 92 (354026)
10-03-2006 8:54 PM
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10-03-2006 8:40 PM


Re: I've already given the support for this point
We know the approximate date of when the Gilgamesh myth was enscribed on tablets, we do not know if the ones we have are the earliest or if there was an oral tradition that predated the written one. The best estimate of when the various Biblical myths were combined and written down is around the 5th. Century BC, or at least 2000 years after the Epic was put in writing.

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