Created in the image of God

"TC,you are telling me that you would agree with say a law passed by the governement that allowed you to kill homosexuals and mediums on sight with impunity."
--Ofcourse not, the government is not the highest athority, nor does it take any of the characteristics of God, this is too crude of an analogy to be valid for similarity to any relevant degree."At least,this what can be infered from your defending those biblical superstitious abominations in the old testament. I do get carried away when reading statements like these but then again,anyone who studied history,especially that of the spanish inquisitions and all its attrocities perpetrated by so called "men of God" understand the inerant dangers of such radical beliefs."
--Who ever said there was no such thing as a fraud?"But i'm gonna give you the befifit of the doubt here and simply ask you...do you believe that these laws should be applied to their literal sense,yes or no?"
--If I was living in the old testement, sure would, but half of these laws do not apply today because according to Christian belief and what the bible explains, Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the people, so they wouldn't be bound to either following these rules or die. Now its make your choice, take him or leave him and die alone with no one to catch you."Your statements is not necessarely accurate. Some people believe that we are all God..i.e. that God is actually the sum of everything that exists."
--Yes and some people believe that the world is held on a turtles back, or held up by atlas, also it is quite interesting to note, the bible claims to say the world is held in place by the balance of nothing."As for knowing God's plan,that assumes that God has a plan to begin with...merely one more baseless assumption among the many you make."
--We must assume the bible is correct to carry out the discussions we are having, ie, prophesy fallacy, contredictions, erroneous stories, etc. So we must follow the biblical framework within the supernatural demension to come to any conclusion on its validity."As for laws being laid down for our own safety,that is also very much relative."
--Mabye we should go over them again, or would you like to comment on them yourself, there right back up there in message 77."IMHO,we are here not to glorify God but to develop our consiousness/spirit/soul...the real us. The universe,the flora,fauna and everything down to the bodies we inhabit are merely tools used in this learning process."
--Ok thats nice."I dont believe we were ever told whats what. I believe we had to discover it all on our own and we are still discovering things to this day and correcting mistaken conclusion we reached in the past...for the most part...while SOME people still cling to ridiculous notions heralding from superstitious times who have otherwise long turned to dust."
--Long turned to dust? Hm.. I don't think I even see it in the least bit of perfect shape, especialy if your argument towards the bible is its basis. Answer me two questions, what would falsify your statment that 'we had to discover it all on our own and we are still discovering things to this day and correcting mistaken conclusion we reached in the past', and what would validify the bibles depiction on this scene?"Homosexuality is NOT a handicap and IS an inborn trait. Study the subject at least a little before you go shooting your mouth off about things you obviously know nothing about."
--First, I would urge you to hold back statments like these, because ofcourse you would be to look significantly dumb if I were to prove you wrong, this doesn't just go for this argument but any. And so, what makes it an inborn trait, besides lust?"As for mediums,no they are not the ennemies of God,despite what your bible says."
--Sure are, if the bible is true ofcourse, and we must consider it is if you are to fight with it to say its wrong."They are people with the gifts of atuning themselves to nature and sometimes with the gift of foresight."
--Defenantly not true if the bible is right, because if it is, it is the cause of demonic activity."I know from experience that mediums are a reality, and although i've never personally met one who could give predictions with pinpoint accuracy like winning lotto numbers,i know a woman who's gift of foresigt about weather patterns is nothing short of amazing."
--I've seen much of this too, but ofcourse when I have seen them, its when their cause is being driven out of them, and earthquakes sometimes happen, electric motors turn on, fire alarms are buzzing and that kinda stuff, its quite amazing."She is also capable of approaching animals and petting animals who would otherwise flee from human presence. She explained to me that there was nothing "magical" about her capacity or the abilities of any mediums but rather that her senses are more finely attuned to certain things than most people."
--If the bible is true, ofcourse she would say that."She also has a sister with whom she can communicate empathicaly,meaning that they can sense each other's general emmotional disposition even when they are miles away. She told me that those gifts,while stronger in her and her sister,exists in each and everyone of us to varying degrees. And before you ask,no she does not work in a fair(she's a social worker),does not worship the Devil and does not seek the destruction of christianity,even though "good" christians have persecuted people like her throughout that ages."
--Actually I wouldn't ask any question like is she worshiping the devil or seaking the distruction of christianity. Because if the bible is true, they should think like this, you don't have to be a psycho satan worshiper with a cannibolistic diet or something of that nature to be a medium or to be the way she is, I would have to say that the spot she is in is one of the most dangerous you can be in, exactly because of what she believes is true."She is herself a baptised christian and is convinced that her gifts come from God. She is also a wicca and worship the nature that God created and revere it. I once asked her if that wasen't a contradiction and she explained that God does allow the worship of other dieties,as long as none are placed ABOVE God and since she worships both God and nature as a CREATION of God."
--Heres some good verses for her:Deuteronomy 17:3 - and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky,Deuteronomy 29:26 - "They went off and worshiped other gods and bowed down to them, gods they did not know, gods he had not given them."Romans 1:25 - They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.--The bible clearly states that you should have no Gods 'period', but God himself within the trinity."Yep,she's a creationist too. My opinion,which is substanciated by a close study of history is that you dont need to look to God to find out why mediums are given such a bad rep in the Bible...good old fashion jalousy is explanation enough..."
--Jelousy? Whats there to be jelous about? I fell sorry for her, she is in a pit and she can't get herself out because she thinks she's fine where she is at, my last girlfriend was in this same possition, she was a wiccan, thought the same things the person you are describing, I tried to show her, she wasn't interested in what it had to say but her own belief and would not consider anything else.
--I continue to substantiate my claim, the bible is simply nothing but truth to everything I know, now would anyone try to discredit my statment? Or is it not possible.------------------

"You substanciate NOTHING. You merely obstinately repeat your absolute conviction that the Bible is the truth in all it says and when presented with statements in the Bible that are false,you simply re-interpret them to your heart's content."
--As I have already proved to you and the rest of the board posters and reviewers, it is the contrary and the other way around, I view it in its obvious context, with human understanding, and a little common scence. Unless you can show me otherwize, this claim of mine, stands valid. I find it significantly clever of you towards the strategy of your posting. With it you can post long vague rebutals to the previous response, but keep it vague, that is, you con't respond directly to any of my arguments. I could very easilly go through previous posts and pick out at least 30 quotes from yourself in which are either silly missinterperetations, missunderstandings, and fallacies in your writting. Direct argumental commentary is needed in such an argument, it is needed for many of your claims such as this to be at all valid."You say mediums are by their nature tools of demonic activity. How exactly? How could this claim be falsifiable scientificaly?"
--How exactly, is the demonic entity will show them anything they want, say for example quiji boards, they will give them answers sertaintly, and they will also give you even beautiful dreams and out of body experiences, astral projections, etc, and they will sertainly make you think that it is from God, or the Natural God, ie the creation. They will also make you feel like you are either fully in touch with the bible or they will make you feel like it is some kind of tool of some kind as my last girlfriend believed it to be, I don't fully understand that part but its basically it. There are people such as Bob Larson, whom I admire as basically being an exorcist for Christ, he started the DWJD ministry, (Do what Jesus Did), it is fully biblical also. It's simply crazy to go there in person and watch thses things happen."I know from experience that people get jalous of other people's unique capabilities. Some people get jalous of other people's strenght,beauty,natural abilities at a given skill. There is no reason to believe that the autors of the Bible did not feel this way about mediums. There is no reason to believe that they wrote them down in their bible as being evil or possessed because they wanted to direct the ire of populations against them. People destroy the object of their jalousy. Thats a known fact. Jalousy will sometime blind even the smartest people to the obvious fact that keen senses can and are being used to do good as well as harm and that people should be judged by their actions and NOT by their inborn traits/capabilities."
--Seems logical, but this is quite contredictory in much of the bible, especially when Jesus comes on the scene, who showed love to these people and told them when they wanted him to flee from their wicked practices."The woman i mentionned is the kindest person i know and she is very devout to her work as a social worker and has been for over 30 years."
--This reminds me of my previous girlfriend as I stated above, she was basically the sweetest, kindest most gentle girl, she was like this little wrapped up present with a puppy inside. But this does not substantiate the fact that she didn't want a part in what the bible offered, and she continuously claimed that she can get to heaven by following the spirits who were her friends and talked with her in her sleep and when she was awake. You can be all of this, but still not inheret the kingdom of God, as it is what the Bible teaches and that is what we are discussing."She never married or had children of her own most likely because of this devotion and the idea that some cult out there would consider her evil by nature BECAUSE she has a gift and uses it to make her own life easier while harming no one is simply repungant to me."
--I would have to say that someone in this day and age to approach anyone like this in such a way in seaking to show them what the bible truely says or something of that nature, if coming for prosecution, they will dig their hole for them. But if you come to them as the bible shows us we should, with meakness, kindness, care and love then you are playing the right game."Your brand of christianity is an insult to God."
--And what God is that? Because it sertainly is not the God of the bible, as he himself told us what his brand of christianity is.--I found it quite unfortunate to be unable to get any direct comments on any of my claims, it seems as I stated above, you have a clever strategy, even unintentional most likely, in the way you respond. I would urge you that if you wan't your claims to be valid, respond to my direct statments, it would be a bit tougher for me to think the answer, as responding to your strategitcal responses is quite a breeze, but were here to get the truth, not see who has the best debating style.------------------

"I dont respond in the context of your Biblical quotations because A: I dont believe they come from God and B: I dont agree with them,period."
--Great, then I think we can move on and leave it at the door that says they are not contredictory or erroneous in the least."To me,anyone who views a medium as an instrument of demonic activity is a superstitious fool and deserves to be pitied."
--Don't argue with me, argue with the bible, but wait, we've already done that and seen the majority of the outcome havent we."Mediums,like everyone on earth receive their gifts from God...not the God of your Bible,which doesn't exist but from the God which gave birth to life and who may or may not have created the universe per say."
--Sounds like the God of the bible, but this God of the bible doesn't like the practices of mediums, and as I explained before, the way they think about their beliefs is expected if the bible is true."Mediums have a gift."
--Technically yes, but who sustains that gift? Sertainly not any entity that agrees with the bible."If they use it to do good,they are good and if they use it to do harm,they are evil,same as anyone."
--Mediums in the bible used their 'gift' to do 'good' but it does not substantiate what they are doing."If you dont think your God and your Bible agrees with mediums,than dont be one but for the record,there is nothing inerantly ungodly about mediums."
--Considering the bible, it is directly ungodly."Even Kind Solomon,from your Bible,sought the help of a witch at one time."
--Yes but you forgot what happend afterword did you not?--Its unfortunate to be unable to get direct comments out of you towards my arguments, I should hope to discuss with you on any implication in such a way so we can come to conclusions and not drift off into other implications when one of them is wrongly attributed.------------------

"Why the hell do you think we have to share genes with our food in order to digest it?"
--Our bodies are designed to break up and use different sources of energy to sustain us, we have various specialized enzymes to break down various compounds such as proteins, carbohydrates, etc. At what level is cytochrome C? Is it an acid or a protein, that kind of thing, as I don't know too much about it I must admit. And about the Sunflower, that was what popped into my mind, so I thought I would suggest it, it wasn't that much of a belly laugh.------------------

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[This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 02-06-2002]