Faith's Participation in EvC

Well, all they notice is when I get weary with the dozens of supposed answers thrown at me and don't get back to answering some of them, even though some of the answers are really not worthy of a moment's attention, and others are so technical I can't be expected to think them through in a rapidfire discussion. However, it's "dishonest" of me when I don't answer them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This is typical. The evidence offered for mutation's ability to do that was pathetically insufficient, and that's all the support I need. Denial is what is going on on the evo side.Also, the super genome is NOT an "assumption," Paul, it is a hypothesis, and something in that direction has yet to be explored thoroughly.

Yes, they will claim huge credits for the thinnest reasoning.Oh well, you are right, we're getting too far off the topic now.I enjoy the fray here but maybe it's been done to death and it's time to leave anyway.

Bertheault's experiment does deal with fossils as well as sediments, of course, no way to avoid it as the fossils are embedded in the sediments. Perfectly relevant, and it does show that there is another reason for the fossil ordering that evos don't take into account; and so does pointing out the marine life at the bottom of the column. Sorry I didn't mention that of course marine life continues up the column too, which is quite consistent with the Flood scenario as everything was underwater with the marine creatures. Finding land life in the lower levels is what would be less likely in a flood.

So true. So odd they never noticed it. That's strong evidence that they are operating in a fantasy world. Or, really, they do notice it but only in compartmentalized areas, and then immediately rationalize it away -- because of their complete and total faith in the theory. They notice it when creatures are on the verge of extinction from genetic depletion, for instance, and conservationists have to find ways to help them survive, and breeders have to take it into account because their normal methods of getting fantastic new types produce various forms of disease. But it never penetrates their thinking about the ToE itself. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You're making great points, Randman, but they will go unrecognized and perhaps we'll both be suspended -- at least declared off topic. In any case I won't find out until tomorrow as I have to get some sleep.

Because the Flood made many creatures extinct. The fossil record is really a graveyard of pre-Flood forms of life. I didn't claim absolute perfection for my arguments, Paul, I claimed that they are very good answers to the evo claims and they are. The changes just reflect the differential deposition of different types of life. We've been over this a zillion times. I'm going to bed.

It's been declared off topic, but it has been answered sufficiently.

OMni declared it off topic a few pages back.

Thanks, GDR. I just now saw your post. Appreciate the support. From you and from others as well. But the hostility faction, and the aggressive reiteration as if they were established facts of some of the arguments I feel I've answered time and time again, take the wind out of me. How can I continue to post freely with that much against me?But I know I go through these states of discouragement and get a second wind anyway, so it's hard to predict.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Schraf is correct. I signed on in 2001 but only posted a few messages then, and did not post again for about three years. I started posting regularly in February of 2005.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Probably on occasion. I don't know about "many." But I'm one against dozens here and when people "don't quite listen to my points" that can mean dozens not listening, and answering with something completely nonsensical and aggressively so. The effect of a barrage of nonsense posts against me or hostile nonsense posts is probably not something you can identify with.

It is true that I'm not very disciplined about how I post and it would help if I could be.But I'm very interested in the few science issues I do post on, and I do believe I understand enough of the particulars to justify it, so I can't see myself giving those up.Doing one thread at a time would be a good idea though. I sometimes even forget which thread I'm posting on. That accounts for some of the off topic sequences.

Well, maybe Percy is right. If I stop posting, or just cut way back, maybe you too, more scientifically minded creationists would rush in to fill the vacuum.But I really appreciated Arach's pointing out on this thread that a lot of my post count comes from trying to answer all my opponents, and that can sometimes mean six or eight posts every time I get back to a thread.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Listen, I said OMNI declared this off topic. It's back there somewhere.I don't know why you can't follow this. I am explaining MY reference points, NOT trying to persuade YOU to them. I am explaining that Biblical creationists will always take the Flood as a FACT, whether you do or not, and your definitions simply make no difference because we believe the God who made all things said it. I argued that IF the God of all things said it THEN it is a fact. This is perfectly good logic. This comes with all the baggage of Bible-inerrancy theology about who God is and how He revealed himself ONLY to the Jews, and is recorded ONLY in the the Bible, so of course other gods and other revelations are not recognized. You don't accept the definition, you don't accept any of it, fine, it's a creationist position, and given our premise IT IS LOGICAL. That's ALL I'm saying. This is an academic point that comes up in particular contexts. I'm not proposing making it a standard for anyone else. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.