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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
They used to say a liberal is a conservative who has yet to be mugged. I guesss a conservative is a liberal who has yet to be denied his rights.
Fill in the blanks: When they came for the _______, I didn't say anything. When they came for the _________, I didn't say anything. When they came for me, there was no one left to say anything. As a practical matter, your freedoms are intertwined with every other person's freedoms. Ask not for whom the chains clank...
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You seem almost like an existentialist. From what I read on wiki, almost it the key word there. I need to read more. I like positivism, dislike rationalism. Its late for me, I'll read up late.
I doubt we'll see eye to eye on much That was obvious to me a while ago, and part of the motivation for becoming involved in this thread.
and it worries me, most likely because I view growth in that attitude as resulting in politicians getting away with more.
I'll let them get away with what they want as long as i'm getting away with what I want. When shit starts affecting me is when I'll get involved.
Have you ever been close to people in office? Even as a scientist? I have a friend from high school that is an active politician but that's it. My scientific career has not brought me close to people in politics.
I can't say you are wrong in how you want to live. Who can? I've only lately realized the truth that Jesus spoke, and I realize I have a lot to learn. Enjoying I most certainly am.
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Oh, so the golden Rule is optional for a Christian, only appled when convenient? So... from the last post and Oh... from this one. You really like putting words into people's posts, don't you? I'll reply the same.
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They used to say a liberal is a conservative who has yet to be mugged. They must be wrong then.
I guesss a conservative is a liberal who has yet to be denied his rights. I've had my rights denied too, by the police. That still hasn't turned me liberal.
Fill in the blanks: When they came for the _______, I didn't say anything. When they came for the _________, I didn't say anything. When they came for me, there was no one left to say anything.
I don't get it.
As a practical matter, your freedoms are intertwined with every other person's freedoms. Ask not for whom the chains clank...
But it doesn't seem like that in reality.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Whatever.
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Most people living under Saddam Hussein led quite normal lives unaffected by their government, too. But for a small minority of Iraqis, life under him was Hell on Earth.
I guess that leaves them 3 options. Conform, leave, or fight.
To me, "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me" is a profound ethical principle and one I personally take to heart. I also believe that it was incorporated into the ethics of the Bill of Rights of the United States of America. I'm not doing anything to anyone and I don't feel responsible for my govenrment.
then I suppose that you and I have very different principles and ethics. Whatever the reason.....Duh!?
We also have very differing views on how much to trust those in power not to abuse that power. History both ancient and current provides ample reason to distrust. Everything will be OK , I'm not worried about it.
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Whatever. word.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Hi CS
Just sent your series of posts to the terrorist task force. Thought you'd like to know what the next nock on your door will be.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
I don't think its going to affect me very much at all. How self centered can you be? Don't be suprised when they come for you.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
They could change it again. That is not it. This discussion is really starting to bore me. I don't really feel like justifying every clause in this legislation to you. Why did you try then?
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
I just don't feel that affected by the government. I do whatever I want, whenever I want, with no problems. The only time I look to the government is when I need an authority. The reason you can make that claim is because of the form of government we have. You are taken for granted what has been earned and trashing it.
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Just sent your series of posts to the terrorist task force. Thought you'd like to know what the next nock on your door will be.
Fuck you. Nuff kids. Stop it! AdminJar Edited by AdminJar, : No reason given.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2935 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Nuff kids. Stop it! AdminJar sorry just got carried away
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
So, what ARE you saying if it isn't that?
Correct my misinterpretation. Also, I notice you didn't answer my question:
quote: What on earth makes you think that we would restrict the use of torture to known terrorists? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You are responsible for your government in a democracy, no matter if you "feel" you are or not. Our government is "OF the people". So, if you don't care if your government tortures people or erodes civil liberties or marches towards Authoritarianism and Fascism, it is the same as you torturing people, you taking away civil liberties, you paving the way of the Authoritarian direction it is taking. "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers (through your government), that you do unto me."
then I suppose that you and I have very different principles and ethics. quote: I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. I am saying that I think your principles and ethics are greatly lacking.
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