The Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Jesus said there is only one unforgivable sin, and that is the blasphemy of the holy ghost. Now here is the question, what exactly is the blasphemy of the holy ghost? Jesus rebuked the pharisees for calling him a false prophet or something like that, and Jesus considered that to be blasphemous.I'll tell you what I think. I think it is almost downright impossible to blasphemy against the holy ghost. I think that it requires someone seeing God performing a miracle right in front of their eyes, and them denying that it happened or attributing it to satanic forces.Tell me what you guys think.Edited by Guido Arbia, : No reason given.

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Could have been a technologically advance alien, illusionists who do magic tricks, or just plain ole delusion.But suppose it IS a miracle of supernatural origin. How the hell do we know it's source is god and not satan masking as god? Remember that the bad guys are not always obviously bad. Heck, even bad guys do good deeds forwhatever purpose they have.I don't see any reason why witnessing a "miracle" constitute witnessing god's wrath, let alone plasphemizing the holy spirit by not automatically recognizing the source of the "miracle" is god.

Guido ArbiaWell, seeing as how the Holy Spirit basically commited adultery with a mans wife then he can hardly thrown stones can he now?

And we shouldn’t forget that wonderful axiom “He who seeks [or demands] power, should never be given it”. All the power, or magix in the world should not make you immune from scorn, ridicule or just plain apathy. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

I've said it before, and am about to again: fuck a whole sackful of holy spirits. And feed 'em fishheads. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

fish-heads fish-heads, rolly polly fish-heads. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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the blasphemy of the holy ghost

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to blasphemy against the holy ghost

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Is it the blasphemy 'of' the Holy Spirit?
Or to blaspheme 'against' the Holy Spirit?

God can forgive any and any amount of sin. Even Hitler could have been forgiven all his sin. There is only one sin that cannot be forgiven. And I think it is this:The work of the Holy Spirit (according to Jesus) is to convict the world (everbody) of sin, righteousness and judgment. Convict meaning to convince. A person convinced of these things is a person convicted of these things.Our conscience attempts to convince us that we have done wrong (that we have disobeyed our conscience: sin). We call it a guilty conscience. Our conscience also trys to convince us that we have done right (that we have obeyed our conscience, that we have acted righteously). We call it a clear conscience (although we might wriggle out of a sin by justifying our actions and call THAT a clear conscience: its not of course - it is denying what our conscience it telling us. Suppressing the truth and so burying the healthy, but uncomfortable sense of guilt).Our conscience also tries to convince us that this life is not the only life and one day we will be called to give an account for our actions. These things are all the work of the Holy Spirit acting on us (which we call conscience). And this work has the ultimate aim of bringing us to salvation. For a man who is convinced of what is right will also be convinced that he does not do right at times. And such a man, if brought to the conviction that he will, in fact, face judgement, will (absolutely guaranteed) cry out to God for mercy. And God will grant him mercy. That man will be saved on the spot.So, that is the aim and task of the Holy Spirit. To bring a man to salvation. A person who blasphemes the Holy Spirit does so by denying and rejecting and cursing the action of the Holy Spirit on him. He denys his sin, he denies what is right preferring to set up his own standard for right and wrong - and he denies that he will ever be called to account for his sin. If he does so successfully, then patently the attempt of the Holy Spirit to lead a man to salvation must fail - due to the mans own actions preventing that.The unforgivable sin then, is the sin of refusing Gods demand that a man repent and be saved. This is achieved by denying the Holy Spirits attempt bring about a condition within the man so that he can do this (for a man cannot do it on his own). The man sins unforgivably by refusing Gods command. He does this by means of refusing forgiveness for his sins - in other words. Such a sin cannot be forgiven, legally and technically because unless sin is admitted and foregiveness requested (and foregiveness will always be granted) then on the account of the holder it remains.Committing this sin is effected by refusing salvation. It is unforegivable because salvation cannot be forced on a man who does not want it. This sin cannot be forgiven simply because the man doesn't want forgiveness."Thy will be done" God will tell that man at Judgement This for example is not unforgivable. Were this attitude contained in a mans dying breath then it would be the case that this person has persistantly refused the Holy Spirits attempt to save him.Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Omnipotence.Then there is no such thing as an "unforgivable" sin.
There can only be a sin that God refuses ro forgive.

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I think that is a good question. First, I doubt that it is possible for anyone except a Theist to commit such a crime. An Atheist, since they don't believe in GOD, would be incapable. A believer though, who does Evil and attributes it to GOD would be guilty of Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.Some examples might be Rev. Phelps. His actions opposing homosexuals would definitely qualify. Jerry Falwell, Pat Roberston, Gene Scott, Ron Wyatt, Kent Hovind, Ken Hamm, Carl Baugh, Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, Benny Hinn, Bishop Earl Paulk, Larry Lea, W. V. Grant and many other prominent Christians would also be good examples of the sin.

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I think it can only happen to a believer.I think it is a willful denial of the Holy Spirit that is continual.Everbody gets mad and cusses out God once in awhile.It is when you keep doing it, in my opinion.

Do you think the whole concept of an "unpardonable sin" was a clever marketing tool of the church? It would keep people in church, thats for sure.

I think the vast bulk of religious "doctrine" is a marketing tool. But my point was that omnipotence and "unforgivable" are incompatible.Part of the marketing strategy is not admitting that the "god" being sold could forgive absolutely anything if he really was omnipotent. "All is forgiven" wouldn't put stained-glass in the windows or gilt on the dome, would it?It seems to me that the blasphemers are those who claim that God "can't" forgive.

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well of course God could forgive everybody. Discipline, however, often involves sanctions for an appropriate amount of time.That being said, I dont think that any sin is unpardonable...unless Satan himself is the scapegoat.