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ringo

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Message 7 of 32 (356327)
10-13-2006 1:50 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Terral
10-13-2006 8:12 AM

Terral writes:

Do these ”two gospel messages’ truly exist in our New Testament, or is there only ”one gospel?’

There is only one gospel.

If Paul expressed it in a "different" way, it's because he misunderstood the gospel, or he misrepresented it, or we misunderstand him.

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Message 11 of 32 (356335)
10-13-2006 2:30 PM

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10-13-2006 2:09 PM

Re: Please Present Your "One Gospel" Doctrinal Outline ASAP

Terral writes:

Please Present Your "One Gospel" Doctrinal Outline ASAP

The "good news" is: behave yourself and you'll be okay.

How are sins forgiven through our ”one gospel?’

Wrong tense. Sins were forgiven. It's a done deal. Finished.

Paul teaches our sins are forgiven through Christ’s shed blood.

You're ignoring my point: Paul either misunderstood the gospel, OR he misrepresented it, OR we (you) misunderstand him.

Please explain for everyone here how Jesus is preaching ”your’ gospel of God right here in Mark 1 some three years BEFORE He dies for sins.

He didn't die for sins.

My death is also "at hand" - hopefully more than three years hence. I, too, will not die for anybody's sins. (Although it's possible that I will die from my own sins.

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How do the believers in your ”one gospel’ receive the Holy Spirit?

What makes you think the "Holy Spirit" is limited to "believers"?

Paul teaches that we are justified by faith apart from works (Rom. 4:4-6).

See above. Paul was wrong OR dishonest OR you misunderstand him.

How are the believers in your ”one gospel’ justified?

As Jesus said, by behaviour.

And what makes you think only "believers" are justified?

Are the believers in your ”one gospel’ under Mosaic Law or not?

According to Jesus, yes.

Please explain for everyone how Israel could accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and King of the kingdom AND crucify Him for the forgiveness of their own sins at the very same time?!

What does Jesus being the Son of God have to do with it? We're talking about the gospel here - i.e. the message, not the messenger boy.

Your ”one gospel’ theory says Jesus Christ preached “Crucify Me for your salvation!,”

Not at all. Jesus preached, "Behave yourselves and you'll be okay."

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Message 19 of 32 (356677)
10-15-2006 12:19 PM

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10-15-2006 7:18 AM

Re: Thank You Very Much For Writing And Good Luck

Terral writes:

How can I ignore your point, when you are answering my questions?

You ignore my point by continuing to assume that Paul's words are automatically on the same footing as Jesus' words.

You agree that there is a difference between Jesus' message and Paul's message, but instead of trying to understand both messages, you try to reconcile them. You assume that a reconciliation is possible (and necessary).

Christianity is based on Christ (Jesus). All other writings have to fit on His framework, not demolish it and rebuild it.

You are not pointing to Paul misunderstanding anything, but at your own.

Again, you are ignoring two thirds of my point. I said that EITHER Paul misunderstood Jesus OR Paul misrepresented Jesus OR you misunderstand Paul.

So far, you have just handwaved those possibilites away. If you want to defend your thesis, you have to deal with those possibilities.

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