Revealing the Truth to People (false signs and wonders)

I should have said so, but he did speak out, the very next week and explain that it was assumed fake.He's really good, I know you would like him. They actually have a consulting business where they go and try to fix screwd up churches, sometimes for free, (well we pay for it), free to that church. He is world reknown in what he does. He is emphatic about knowing the truth about things, and Jesus.Believe me, I wouldn't be going there if it was any different. I have been to dozens of churches and never seen anything I liked.But the fact, or the evidence that leads me to think these things are fake do have 2 sides to it, that is why I am bringing to discussion.I guess a good question is, should it be the churches job to teach people science?

I would be interested in seeing your Pastors website.

That would certainly depend on the capabilities of the church and congregation. In most cases I would say that the answer should be no.The church can certainly teach folk to question though.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Our website isn't the best. We have a discussion forum, where My pastor attempts to start a blog. He's been keeping up with it so far.
http://www.clcnj.orghttp://www.agleadershipservices.com/default.asp
That is the web-site for his business.

Your pastor sounds like an honest fellow, and a good egg. Good for him.I don't think churches need to teach about science per say. However, it might be good for people to be taught that not every preacher that goes around passing a collection plate for the poor is actually a 'brother in Christ', and might be using people's faith for personal gain. Look at Jim Baker, Dr. Gene Scott (now deceased), and a variety of other televangalists? Many are very wealthy men , at the expense of the people who donate money for charitable works. So much of that goes to the personal weath of the televangalist, rather than the good works that were promised it would go to. This is particulary true of those frauds that use faith healing, since relying on that can be a matter of life and death.

Riverrat you can rest assured I am actively investigating these supernatural gemstones.You are correct that if you have a Christian leaning you would not want to see fraud working in the name of God. I am not saying this is fraud. I am approaching this as unbiased as I can.The church is in my neighborhood and i even know some people involved. I have several emails in with them right now. I am offering to pay for a Gemologist report. Stay tuned for more info.As it sits right now they are not responding except for one email where they claim that the experts cannot tell what they are, and the only test available now is a destructive test which the do not feel is right. I still await their reply.You can find frameshots from their videos at:Gemstones From HeavenExtreme Prophetic also is talking about Angelic Orbs. I have looking for a video on these "orbs".Also, as for your comment on integrity. At the Gateway Fellowship in their values declaration you can find this statement... I am relying on this valued statement that they will do "due dilligence" and get the gemstones tested by an independent certified Gemologist and release the report to their congregation and the public. At this point I think all they have is the opinion of someone at a mall jewelery store. In addition, this mall jeweler was envision in a dream to be the one to examine these stones - which sounds, as a casual outside observer, a little questionable.In the third video they have identified this Angel that is delivering these stones. Her name is "Emma" and she is always associated prosperity. The gemstones are claimed to be symbols of prosperity. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

It's that whole statement and accurate representation of what is, that reminds me of the verse: narrow is the road to heaven. That verse becomes true when you examine all the facts.It's my desire to be a man after God's true heart, and to be a representative of the truth. Then to spread that truth to those around me. I feel like I am in training.

Make up a report with pictures the pictures from ebay, and go right to the top Pastor there with it. Tell him if he doesn't resolve the issue, then you'll go to the news with it.Just a thought. Thanks for pursuing this. If you expose them as fakes, then you are actually doing work for the kingdom of God, IMO. I pray that God would bless you for it, whether you believe or not.

Yep. At this point they are ignoring my emails. But will try to get an appointment to see someone in the leadership next week.Also sent an email to Patricia King at extremeprophetic.com last night:

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I have intently watched your video production on the Gemstones in Coeur
d'Alene Idaho. In one of your video's you are clear on the necessity of due
diligence concerning the veracity of these events. I could not agree more
strongly.

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The most obvious due diligence act would be to identify these gemstones.

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I have been trying to contact the Gateway Fellowship and have offered to pay
for a certified Gemologist to examine these stones. I have been told that
"experts" have looked at the stones and that they cannot identify. However the
only expert mentioned is a jeweler at Silver Lake Mall. They further indicate
that the only test left is a destructive "acid" test and they are not prepared
to that.

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The Gemologist I have talked to on this issue indicate that this is simply not
true. A Gemologist with a proper lab can identify these stones and they have
never heard of a acid test. For example, a graduate Gemologist with 25 years
of experience commented:

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"What is an acid test? Gemological tests do not harm the gems. I've never
heard of an acid test"

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I would appreciate if you would encourage the leadership at Gateway Fellowship
to get these Gemstones identified by people with the proper qualifications.
  —Sent to extremeprophetic.com

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I just bought a 100 ct zircon on Ebay. It is coming from China so it may take awhile. Price outside of shipping $10.If you watch the third video thay actually name the angel as "Emma". Emma is always associated with prosperity and jewels are symbols of prosperity! Symbols? I would say a 50 ct daimonds is more than just a symbol.

Yep, I sent her an email about the orbs, in detail explaining all I know. I highly doubt I will recieve a reply.Either one of two things is at work here (or more).
1 She is an absolute fraud
2 She really believes this stuff, and doesn't want her own faith disrupted.People are desparate to see signs and wonders.