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crashfrog
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Message 106 of 111 (357517)
10-19-2006 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Hyroglyphx
10-19-2006 4:12 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
What I said was that serial killers have one thing in common between them all-- they are deeply entrenched in the world of pornography.
But that's transparently false. They have many, many more than one thing in common with each other - the most salient thing they have in common is that they all kill people.
It's ridiculous to assert that viewing porn is the one thing they all have in common. It's simply not true.

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Jazzns
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Message 107 of 111 (357532)
10-19-2006 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Hyroglyphx
10-18-2006 9:06 PM


Re: Could it be?
The whole point of my post though was to challange your position that this outrage is merely because of Foley's party affiliation. Care to address any of that or have you abandoned that opinion?

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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tudwell
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Message 108 of 111 (357537)
10-19-2006 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Hyroglyphx
10-19-2006 4:12 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
NJ, in Message 105 you say:
I've already said, numerous times, that porn doesn't 'make you' kill people.
Then, you go on to provide a lengthy description of just how porn might 'make you' kill people. So which is it? Does it, or doesn't it?
Assuming you have your facts straight, there is a correlation between watching porn and being a serial killer. But correlation doesn't equal causation. There's no way to tell if they watch porn because they're serial killers, or are serial killers because they watch porn. It's really a moot point. So let's all get back on topic.

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Silent H
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Message 109 of 111 (357543)
10-19-2006 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Hyroglyphx
10-19-2006 4:12 PM


please stop with the porn stuff
As interesting as the topic of porn is, could we please limit the extent of such posts, or move it to a new thread? Normally I wouldn't care but it has eaten up a lot of space already and the lengths of the posts are big.
One note...
But please don't play dumb like porn is something that is as benign as watching Sesame Street, m'kay?
I like porn quite a bit, it is as benign as watching Sesame Street unless you are watching it for the same reason as one watches Sesame Street. Porn is entertainment and not educational. Well I guess some could be, but that is generally not its sole goal.
Watching Sesame Street endlessly could conceivably send someone insane, just as much as anything else. Obsession is unhealthy.
One other note:
What I said was that serial killers have one thing in common between them all-- they are deeply entrenched in the world of pornography.
That is not true. There are serial killers, and mass murderers who did not like porn.
Your slippery slope from porn to murder is pure sophistry. Could I point out that more murders have been commited in the last several years by people who hate porn and read the Bible, Quran, and Torah than by anyone hooked on porn?
I could concoct the same slippery slope from feelings of loving/being loved by God to killing. Would you buy that explanation and suggest people not read religious texts?

holmes {in temp decloak from lurker mode}
"What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." (D.Bros)

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 110 of 111 (357546)
10-19-2006 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by crashfrog
10-19-2006 4:22 PM


Re: Its the Sleaze factor - not the Gay factor
But that's transparently false. They have many, many more than one thing in common with each other - the most salient thing they have in common is that they all kill people.
All serial killers are killers? That kind of goes without saying. That's like saying all racecar drivers race cars. And saying that they all eat and breath kind of goes without saying because every single human being has done this. We're looking for specific parallels, such as, treated poorly all their lives, low self-esteem, physical/mental/sexual abuse, addiction to pornorgraphy, etc.
It's ridiculous to assert that viewing porn is the one thing they all have in common. It's simply not true.
"One of the most hideous serial killers would undoubtedly have to be the sexual killer. Many specialists, including Douglas (1996) have agreed that the most crucial factor in the development of the serial rapist or killer is the role of fantasy. It has been suggested that the escalation from fantasy to reality in these instances, can be attributed to pornography. In response I would tend to agree, for pornography tends to build on the natural inner desires that exist within us all. The desire to have sexual intercourse is dominant in all males. The action of penetration brings on a sense of triumph and conquest . The only difference here is that these killers have not had the opportunity to learn intimacy due to childhood restraints, and they substitute intimacy with control (which they obtain by inflicting bodily harm to the other(the equivalent to the penetrating conquest) to counteract their inner desires for a mate. As Dr. Richard G. Rappart, a forensic psychiatrist, writes that the mode of death is one where factors indicate that the victim has meaning to the killer and that the intimacy of the murderous act is part of a close bond between himself and the victim formed in the killers fantasy and delusions. A study by Samuel Yochelson and Stanton Samenow (1988) pointed out that a high proportion of serial killers are ”highly sexed’ in childhood, and have been known to look into bathrooms through keyholes on females undressing, or initiated sexual games - sometimes amounting to rape - with girls at school." -J. Apsche
Find out if you're a serial killer: I'm a level 6 possibilty
(No, it isn't serious inqiury)

"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility." -Theodore Roosevelt

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 111 of 111 (357547)
10-19-2006 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Silent H
10-19-2006 6:03 PM


Re: please stop with the porn stuff
As interesting as the topic of porn is, could we please limit the extent of such posts, or move it to a new thread? Normally I wouldn't care but it has eaten up a lot of space already and the lengths of the posts are big.
Yes, Holmes. I apologize for the tangent. I didn't intend to hijack your thread.

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