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Message 49 of 308 (332802)
07-18-2006 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Percy
07-18-2006 8:24 AM


Re: Indictment?
I don't think there's an indictment
from the latest news:
quote:
The indictment unsealed last week has three parts:
[1]Kent Hovind is accused of failing to pay $473,818 in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes for employees of his Creation Science Ministry between March 31, 2001, and Jan. 31, 2004.
...
The indictment alleges Hovind paid his employees in cash and called them "missionaries" to avoid paying payroll and FICA taxes.
[2]The Hovinds both are charged with 44 counts of structuring financial transactions to avoid reporting requirements.
[3]Kent Hovind also is charged with impeding an IRS investigation in several ways, including filing frivolous lawsuits and false complaints against the IRS.

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Message 74 of 308 (333216)
07-19-2006 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by arachnophilia
07-18-2006 5:28 PM


i don't think he's a huckster -- he doesn't push the SALE as much as some folks
He might not push it as much but pushing the sale whilst under indictment for fraud is damned impressive:
The sale
quote:
After the hearing, Kent Hovind declined to comment, other than to say reports that Dinosaur Land, which offers children's rides, is open.
"We had 1,000 visitors last week," he said.

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Message 75 of 308 (333224)
07-19-2006 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Lithodid-Man
07-18-2006 6:27 PM


Flags
If this is where Hovind is comming from he is scarier than I gave him credit for.
Sorry....
quote:
40.05[4](b) The Gold-Fringed Flag ("The American Maritime Flag of War") [FN13]
Various litigants, including tax protesters, argue that the placement in a court room of a gold-fringed American flag denotes: (1) admiralty jurisdiction; (2) suspension of constitutional governmental functions; and/or (3) martial law.
Litigants call the gold-fringed American flag the "maritime flag of war," and claim its display signifies "[d]eprivation of rights under color of law." McCann v. Greenway, 952 F.Supp. 647, 649 (W.D.Mo. 1997). They maintain that a court that flies a gold-fringed flag: (1) lacks jurisdiction over those coming before it; and (2) deprives the litigant of due process rights.
Not surprisingly, courts uniformly reject such claims. See Salman
v. Nevada, 104 F.Supp.2d 1262, 1266 (D.Nev. 2000) ("Plaintiff's argument that the gold fringe around an American flag in a courtroom designates admiralty jurisdiction is . . . wholly frivolous"); Schneider v. Schlaefer, 975 F.Supp. 1160, 1161-64 (E.D.Wis. 1997) (contention that court proceedings were conducted unconstitutionally because of flag form rejected; claims or defenses based upon preeminence of American "flag of peace" over all other flags frivolous and sanctionable); Hovind v.
Kelly, No. 3:96CV579/RV, 1997 WL 327100 (N.D.Fla. Mar. 17, 1997)

From Criminal Tax Manual 40.00 -- ILLEGAL TAX PROTESTERS. And yes, its the same Hovind.

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Message 90 of 308 (335954)
07-28-2006 5:42 AM


This weeks update
Pensacola news reports (my bold to highlight unusual phrase):
U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers denied this week, the request to lift travel restrictions for Pensacola creationist Kent Hovind.
Hovind, who calls himself “Dr. Dino” and operates Dinosaur Adventure Land, at 5800 N. Palafox St., was scheduled to travel to five South African cities between Aug. 12 and Aug. 21 to debate scientists who refute his belief that man did not evolve from dinosaurs but, rather, lived alongside them.
After prosecutors argued earlier this month that Hovind posed a flight risk if allowed to leave the country, U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis ordered Hovind to surrender his passport.
Hovind said the travel restrictions violates his constitutional right to freedom religion and is contrary to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
Rodgers disagreed, pointing to Supreme Court decisions that neutral restrictions with general applications that incidentally burden religious practices do not violate the free exercise clause of the First Amendment.
Hovind doesn't seem to be getting things his way. I guess judges are used to oratory and are simply ignoring it in favour of what the law actually says.

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Message 106 of 308 (357403)
10-19-2006 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Dr Adequate
10-19-2006 2:50 AM


I saw that, the first sentence made me laugh
Defense attorneys said it's a case of a Pensacola couple's ignorance of the law and their religious beliefs.
Yep, even their defense attorneys are saying that Hovind and his wife are ignorant of their own religious beliefs
Anyway, more news.
Two people who worked for a Pensacola evangelist testified Wednesday in federal court that they didn't consider where they worked to be a church.

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Message 130 of 308 (357901)
10-21-2006 6:43 AM


More amusing updates. Hovind Pope
Every day more amusement comes from the case.
Hovind isn't a whoever, he isn't a person, but he is like the pope.
"He tried to stress to me that he was like the pope and this was like the Vatican," Seminole attorney David Charles Gibbs testified at Hovind's trial before U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers.
The prosecution hopes to rest its case Tuesday. The defense is expected to take at a week or more to make its case.
Here's to many more days of amusement. I can't wait to hear the defense.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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Message 140 of 308 (358032)
10-21-2006 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Buzsaw
10-21-2006 6:42 PM


you think you're apprised enough on tax law to do what Hovind's been doing for decades and remain free doing it as long as he has?
I can't answer for Subbie, but Hovind doesn't need to know jack about tax law when he afford to pay someone to think for him. As you can see - Hovind's basic defence has been tried recently...by the man that has represented him.

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Message 184 of 308 (360993)
11-02-2006 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by iano
11-02-2006 8:00 PM


previous cases
Al Capone was sentenced to 11 years.
Ronnie Biggs was sentenced for 30
Surinder Singh Panshi got 16 years, and he plead guilty.
If the amount stolen is in the tens of millions then 20+ year sentences have been handed out. Hovind isn't anywhere near this level so he's unlikely to spend a lot of time in jail.
A more applicable case was Rev. Henry Lyons who was sentenced for 5 and a half years, though he had more than tax evasion under his belt - racketeering was included in that.
Another comparable case looks to be this one where the tax cheat was forced to pay his taxes, a $30,000 fine and do 800 hours of community service. I suspect Hovind will get more than that though.
The closest thing I can find is Minesh Krishnadas Mehta:
quote:
A San Francisco parking lot owner was sentenced to 15 months and ordered to pay $340,111 in restitution after evading taxes on more than $900,000 in income.
Minesh Krishnadas Mehta, 44, of San Francisco, pleaded guilty to two counts of tax evasion. Mehta admitted that from 1999 to 2000, he operated numerous parking lots in the San Francisco Bay Area that generated a substantial amount of cash receipts. Mehta deposited the cash receipts in amounts less than $10,000, so banks would not notify the IRS. He did this so the IRS would not discover the correct amount of cash receipts his parking lots were earning.
Mehta admitted that he had failed to report on his individual income tax returns a total of $926,304 for the years 1999 and 2000. Mehta also acknowledged that because he failed to report that amount on his income tax returns, he underpaid a total of $358,307 in income tax for those years.
Since Hovind is charged for a similar amount, but with plenty of other indictments to his name as well, I suspect that two years at a minimum and I'd reckon that 3-5 wouldn't be out of the question as a minimum. Of course, IANAL so I could be atrociously wrong with my estimates.

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Message 198 of 308 (364306)
11-17-2006 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Percy
11-17-2006 7:18 AM


Re: No new news, but...
Sweet isn't it?
I personally find using google news is easier than going to PensacolaNewsJournal.
Edited by Modulous, : shortening url

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Message 202 of 308 (377961)
01-19-2007 3:03 AM


Sentencing today:
Heads up folks, first thing this morning, the sentencing happens.
Final bets please...

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Message 210 of 308 (378016)
01-19-2007 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by johnfolton
01-19-2007 10:18 AM


So in a very real sense the income tax isn't legal, as many have proclaimed, but try not paying it and see how far you get before the Feds come after you and confiscate everything you own.
It is the courts that get to decide if income tax is legal or not based on these kinds of objections.
Guess what they decided?

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Message 215 of 308 (378026)
01-19-2007 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by johnfolton
01-19-2007 10:48 AM


They decided not to question the Feds its not healthy if you care to remain among the living.
Courts make rulings, is there something in your constitution where they are required to 'question the Feds'? When presented with the evidence they decide facts. They have been presented with the evidence that the 16th ammendment was not legally ratified and they have decided that this is not the case - the 16th ammendment stands as a legally ratified document as per the body that the constitution has apppointed to decide if an ammendment was legally ratified.
I don't see how, constitutionally speaking, there is any question over the legality over the ammendment.

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Message 218 of 308 (378037)
01-19-2007 11:23 AM
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01-19-2007 11:09 AM


Your changing the subject would normally be indicative of a concession of the original point. Does it stand that you have changed your argument from a legal point of view (conceding that income tax cannot be legally disputed) towards a moral point of view (income tax is a legal scam)?

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Modulous
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Message 222 of 308 (378047)
01-19-2007 11:54 AM
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01-19-2007 11:39 AM


If the FED's ability to craft money out of nothing and collect interest has not been ratified by the states then Hovind was unjustly judged.
Good point. If only the constitution had created some body that could decide whether or not an ammendment was legally ratified! If only the writers of that document had half a brain between them.

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Message 308 of 308 (396874)
04-23-2007 1:30 AM


The Appeal
An appeal by Pensacola creationist Kent Hovind and his wife, Jo Hovind, seeking acquittal on tax-fraud charges was denied.
From here
Jo Hovind was convicted of 44 counts of evading bank-reporting requirements. Her sentencing was delayed pending the appeal and should soon be set.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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