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Cobra_snake Inactive Member |
quote: I find it interesting that most of those "Facts" fit just as well (if not better) under a creationist model. As TrueCreation pointed out to you, not too many of your "facts" contradict Creation at all. An example of a mutation creating something new would be interesting, since it would take millions of these to create the diversity of life as we see it today.
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Um bud we have millions of years in our model......
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7910 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
quote: your also assuming that a mutation occurs every year or so. which you know well that it doesnt. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi [This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-06-2002]
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joz Inactive Member |
He said it would take millions of years I pointed out that we have millions of years (hundress of millions in fact)....
So any assumptions were Cobra`s not mine...
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Yes your quite right they happen rather more freqeuntly than 1 a year....
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7910 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
message 20- i see what you mean.
message 21- gimme some proof and explain more. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3850 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
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message 21- gimme some proof and explain more. [/QUOTE] [/b] What causes the formation of a cancer? A mutation. How many cases of cancer are there in one year? More than one.
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joz Inactive Member |
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http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~hollidac/mutationrate.html quote: I`d say rather more than 1 mutation a year eh?
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5222 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
To add to Joz',
HIV RNA mutates over a million times faster than human DNA. It is (& has been) possible to construct "evolutionary trees" of HIV strains in a SINGLE PERSON. ie, If you've had it long enough, you're privy to your own personal strains of the virus. It is possible, because of this rapid mutation rate to examine HIV RNA & construct a tree of who infected who. This also has been done, where an outbreak was extrapolated back to a single dentist, by looking at who MUST HAVE infected who (regardless of what those people said!). This is the power of genetically derived phylogenies. The methods can happily save lives Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7910 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
quote: does the mutant bacteria affect the actual genetic code of the bacteria's creator? ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi [This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-06-2002]
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
Is there evidence to substantiate a plausable evolutionary ideal observable mechenism by which we can view a single-celled organism on its way with evolutionary guidance? Thus falsifying the fellow creationist implication that you cannot get anything new out of 'e'volution, and that it is nothing more than a devolving process if any change (evolution simply meaning change).
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Um bud we have millions of years in our model......"
--The thing is, is that we need mutations and natural selections to co-opt with our theories on anatomical, biological, and botinal diversity, speciation, and variation. It seems as we observe today, things are getting more specialized, simply losing and scrambling what we already have, this is well represented in variations in Dogs, think about it, the chuawa for instance, all that work to create a perfectly useless dog, any more variation in the chuawa, its in the shallow gene pool. ------------------
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7910 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
yeah hehe i even say this in my signature. things need to be diverse to be strong. if something gets too specialized for its purpose itll die as soon as a change occurs simply because evolution more than likely cant keep up with most environmental changes.
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: First that is Chihuahua not chuawa.... second this is a bloody dumb example in case you did not realise chihuahuas are a domesticated breed of dog i.e. natural selection (apart from terribly lethal mutations) takes a back seat to selective breeding by us humans.... If chihuahuas had evolved sans human influence you might have a point as it is you don`t..... Just for reference what is your opinion of poodles?
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Simply prove that 1+1=2 (it can be done) This is a good exercise for you in the nature of proof... 1+1=2 is an a priori statement which may or may not be true (I`m not saying it isn`t) untill you prove it mathmaticaly it is no more valid than saying 1+1=3...... (hint: the first step is to define 1, then define addition, then define 2 all that is left then is to bring it all together) I`m just aking you to do this so that you learn the difference between 1+1=2 as an a priori statement that seems to work and 1+1=2 as a mathmaticaly proved statement..... [This message has been edited by joz, 02-07-2002]
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