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Author Topic:   No Big Bang--Just gentle whisper
Dr Adequate
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Message 8 of 100 (359077)
10-26-2006 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by baloneydetector#zero
10-20-2006 12:16 PM


The red shift that we associate with the Big Bang is not caused by the motion of receding galaxies. That notion was extrapolated from regarding that red shift as a doppler effect. If that were truly the case, those distant peripheral galaxies would eventually fall off the edge of your universe to be followed by more galaxies until eventually, ours would be the only one left.
Doesn’t that remind you of the flat earth theory. That was ridiculous and, so is this one.
That was your argument against Einstein? "It's ridiculous"?
It's strange, isn't it, how physicists and astronomers have never noticed how ridiculous it is. That's funny, isn't it? They spend their lives studying physics, which you haven't, and they can do the math, which you can't, and some of them have Nobel Prizes, and they don't see how "ridiculous" it is.
I guess ... I guess you must be smarter than them. You're certainly smarter than me, because I can't see why it's "ridiculous". Would you care to spell it out for us? Skip the tensor calculus and just put it into layman's terms.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 13 of 100 (359112)
10-26-2006 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by baloneydetector#zero
10-26-2006 4:27 PM


Re: Reply to Dr Adequate
What you seem to be objecting to as "ridiculous" is the notion that the expanding universe has a horizon and that other galaxies, from our point of view, will drop over it.
In the first place, I don't find that ridiculous, and in the second place, even if I did, as you evidently do, that would scarcely be an argument against it. Many things are true and ridiculous: the existence of the hippopotamus, for example.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 17 of 100 (359332)
10-27-2006 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
10-27-2006 4:51 AM


Re: Reply to Dr Adequate
The phrase that Baloney used was "fall off the edge of your universe". Unless this is just a euphemistic way of referring to regions of the universe too distant to affect our own region due to the expansion of intervening space, this is not a current cosmological view. I do find the view that distant galaxies would fall off the edge of the universe to be ridiculous, but that is not part of current theory.
I took him to mean the fact that glaxies will disappear beyond our "horizon"; and to be constrained by a desire to make it sound like the flat Earth theory.
The notion of a flat Earth itself, I might add, is not "ridiculous", it is merely known to be false. It is not something one could dismiss a priori just by giggling at it.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 25 of 100 (360083)
10-31-2006 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by baloneydetector#zero
10-30-2006 11:02 AM


Re: Back to the drawing board
Percy, I have taken another peek at the latest in modern cosmology and find that nothing much has changed. All advances are still only theories most of which are based on variations on the Big Bang theory. If my baloney detector is even close to correct, and the Big Bang didn’t happen, then all of the advances in modern cosmology belong in the toilet.
And this, of course, is where my baloney detector starts clicking. Because it is hardly likely that a non-physicist, with no mathematical background, is going to put Einstein straight.
I think that we can actually prove that the Big Bang didn’t happen and, to do this we must go back to basics.
You don't thing cosmologists know basic physics?
Like Dr. adequate cited, the force of gravity between two objects is inversely proportional to the distance between them.
To the product of their masses over the square of the distance between them.
For any object in this universe, gravity is acting on it by all other objects in the universe. Like I mentioned in my original message, this action from all masses from all sides has the affect of holding and securing the original object in one place-at the center of the universe.
You appear to be claiming that every object is at "the center of the universe". This is patently not true.
Keeping this thought in mind and reviewing the idea that universe would be expanding if the Big Bang had happened, then why isn’t the mass of the object changing in response to the change in the distances of an expanding universe.
Why don't wombats explode every time I whistle the Star-Spangled Banner?
Well, why should they?
Another thing, if the mass of the object is fixed, unchanging and, has a reasonable value (not infinite) then, it’s universe is not infinite or, if it is, gravitational attractions have a distance limit.
This is a complete non sequitur. That objects have a fixed mass does not imply a finite universe or a limit on universal gravitation.
What is great about this, is that we are able to move about our universe. This freedom of motion is another indication of the kind of universe we live in. The smaller the object, the greater freedom it has to move. Atomic and subatomic particles enjoy the most freedom.
This is not true. subatomic particles are bound together by electromagnetic forces and the strong nuclear force. You ever seen a free quark?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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