The consequences of "Evolution is false"

Prophex asserts: Perhaps not all 'creationists,' but I would say that Young Earth Creationists (YECs) must think 99.85% of all geoscientists and bioscientists are either incompetent and/or liars. Otherwise, why would they denounce their theories without even bothering to rationally examine the tremendous amount of evidence for such theories.

Why Is evolution the biggest lie of atheists and agonosticsTHE BIG LIE of Evolution - DOCTRINE OF DELUSION EXPOSED!Proof That Evolution Is A HoaxEvolution Is A Hoax - Documented!"The success of this lie can only be explained as a work of Satan ... Evolution is a lie despite its scientific trappings""Anyone can know that evolution is a lie by just studying the facts. But now anyone can also know that evolution is a double-damned lie. It has never been “secular” science as the world has been led to believe. Rather, it has been a long labor of a Cabal of Pharisee Religionists to destroy the Bible’s credibility from Creation to Jesus to Heaven."EVOLUTION AND GENOCIDE: "The Theory of Evolution is a lie which is popularly believed not because it is "scientific" so much as because the empires of the world have found the idea helpful in buttressing thier power and extending their genocidal domination."EVOLUTION IS A LIE: Evolutionists believe that evolution takes place as a result of two separate events that occur simultaneously, called "mutation" and "natural selection". This, actually, is an illogical belief and it does not have any scientific basis."Letters on Evolution from Grandpa" --- My Dear Grandchildren: In my last letter, I said I'd tell you why evolution is a lie. Evolution is a lie not only because the Bible (God's Word) ascribes the establishment of all living and inanimate matter and all scientific laws and phenomena to our almighty God's creation, but it is also a scientific lie. Evolution is a lie. I frequently receive e-mails from people who accuse me of being ignorant of science. Science? There is NOT one shred of evidence in support of evolution that has stood up to the scrutiny of legitimate science."Since evolution is a lie there can be no proof that evolution has ever occurred as the theory requires it to."Evolution a lie: "Evolution is a LIE,designed by the ungodly to convince you to believe that there is no Creator-God."I HATE EVOLUTION ... Praise the Lord that evolution is a lie and the Bible is true."A Historical Lie: The Stone Age" ... No matter how much Darwinists strive to keep their ideology alive, the mounting evidence shows that evolution is a lie and that Creation is a fact that cannot be denied. I must say, I’m embarrassed for people who try so hard to live a lie in the face of overwhelming scientific proof. THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF....EVOLUTION IS A LIE."I now know that evolution is a lie from the devil. I now know that what we are being taught as fact about the past is fiction"However, after reading the information contained on this website and others; I think that you will agree that evolution is a lie. It is not a misunderstanding, ignorance etc... It is a lie.However, the information on giants that we learn from the Bible and factual fossil evidence once again proves evolution to be a "giant" LIE.Evolution is a LIEOnce again true science proves that evolution is a lie."That's right, Lucy. There's no such thing as evolution. Evolution is a lie. Darwin was a liar. Darwinists are liars."Answers in Genesis have their say: “In its bearing upon religion this vain notion is, however, no theme for mirth, for it is not only deceptive, but it threatens to be mischievous in a high degree. There is not a hair of truth upon this dog from its head to its tail, but it rends and tears the simple ones. In all its bearing upon scriptural truth, the evolution theory is in direct opposition to it. If God’s Word be true, evolution is a lie.And Henry Morris, founder of the ICR has this to say: Assuming Satan to be the real source of the evolutionary concept, how did it originate in his mind? . . . A possible answer to this mystery could be that Satan, the father of lies, has not only deceived the whole world and the angelic hosts who followed him--he has even deceived himself! . . . He therefore deceived himself into supposing that all things, including himself and including God, had been evolved by natural processes out of the primordial stuff of the universe ... Satan himself is the originator of the concept of evolution." And here's Kent Hovind : "Secondly, the Creationists are not rejecting science; they are rejecting lies and things that have been proven wrong."Edited by Dr Adequate, : Fixed links.

Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.--- Albanian Academy of Sciences; National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina; Australian Academy of Science; Austrian Academy of Sciences; Bangladesh Academy of Sciences; The Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium; Academy of Sciences and Arts of Bosnia and Herzegovina; Brazilian Academy of Sciences; Bulgarian Academy of Sciences; The Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada; Academia Chilena de Ciencias; Chinese Academy of Sciences; Academia Sinica, China, Taiwan; Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences; Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences; Cuban Academy of Sciences; Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic; Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters; Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt; Académie des Sciences, France; Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities; The Academy of Athens, Greece; Hungarian Academy of Sciences; Indian National Science Academy; Indonesian Academy of Sciences; Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran; Royal Irish Academy; Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities; Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy; Science Council of Japan; Kenya National Academy of Sciences; National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic; Latvian Academy of Sciences; Lithuanian Academy of Sciences; Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts; Academia Mexicana de Ciencias; Mongolian Academy of Sciences; Academy of the Kingdom of Morocco; The Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences; Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand; Nigerian Academy of Sciences; Pakistan Academy of Sciences; Palestine Academy for Science and Technology; Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru; National Academy of Science and Technology, The Philippines; Polish Academy of Sciences; Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal; Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts; Singapore National Academy of Sciences; Slovak Academy of Sciences; Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts; Academy of Science of South Africa; Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain; National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka; Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences; Council of the Swiss Scientific Academies; Academy of Sciences, Republic of Tajikistan; Turkish Academy of Sciences; The Uganda National Academy of Sciences; The Royal Society, UK; US National Academy of Sciences; Uzbekistan Academy of Sciences; Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela; Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences; The Caribbean Academy of Sciences; African Academy of Sciences; The Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS); The Executive Board of the International Council for Science (ICSU). *Teaching religious ideas mislabeled as science is detrimental to scientific education: It sets up a false conflict between science and religion, misleads our youth about the nature of scientific inquiry, and thereby compromises our ability to respond to the problems of an increasingly technological world. Our capacity to cope with problems of food production, health care, and even national defense will be jeopardized if we deliberately strip our citizens of the power to distinguish between the phenomena of nature and supernatural articles of faith. "Creation-science" simply has no place in the public-school science classroom.--- Nobel Laureates Luis W. Alvarez, Carl D. Anderson, Christian B. Anfinsen, Julius Axelrod, David Baltimore, John Bardeen, Paul Berg, Hans A. Bethe, Konrad Bloch, Nicolaas Bloembergen, Michael S. Brown, Herbert C. Brown, Melvin Calvin, S. Chandrasekhar, Leon N. Cooper, Allan Cormack, Andre Cournand, Francis Crick, Renato Dulbecco, Leo Esaki, Val L. Fitch, William A. Fowler, Murray Gell-Mann, Ivar Giaever, Walter Gilbert, Donald A. Glaser, Sheldon Lee Glashow, Joseph L. Goldstein, Roger Guillemin, Roald Hoffmann, Robert Hofstadter, Robert W. Holley, David H. Hubel, Charles B. Huggins, H. Gobind Khorana, Arthur Kornberg, Polykarp Kusch, Willis E. Lamb, Jr., William Lipscomb, Salvador E. Luria, Barbara McClintock, Bruce Merrifield, Robert S. Mulliken, Daniel Nathans, Marshall Nirenberg, John H. Northrop, Severo Ochoa, George E. Palade, Linus Pauling, Arno A. Penzias, Edward M. Purcell, Isidor I. Rabi, Burton Richter, Frederick Robbins, J. Robert Schrieffer, Glenn T. Seaborg, Emilio Segre, Hamilton O. Smith, George D. Snell, Roger Sperry, Henry Taube, Howard M. Temin, Samuel C. C. Ting, Charles H. Townes, James D. Watson, Steven Weinberg, Thomas H. Weller, Eugene P. Wigner, Kenneth G. Wilson, Robert W. Wilson, Rosalyn Yalow, Chen Ning Yang. *Evolutionary theory ranks with Einstein's theory of relativity as one of modern science's most robust, generally accepted, thoroughly tested and broadly applicable concepts. From the standpoint of science, there is no controversy.--- Louise Lamphere, President of the American Anthropological Association; Mary Pat Matheson, President of the American Assn of Botanical Gardens and Arboreta; Eugenie Scott, President of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists; Robert Milkey, Executive Officer of the American Astronomical Society; Barbara Joe Hoshiazaki, President of the American Fern Society; Oliver A. Ryder, President of the American Genetic Association; Larry Woodfork, President of the American Geological Institute; Marcia McNutt, President of the American Geophysical Union; Judith S. Weis, President of the American Institute of Biological Sciences; Arvind K.N. Nandedkar, President of the American Institute of Chemists; Robert H. Fakundiny, President of the American Institute of Professional Geologists; Hyman Bass, President of the American Mathematical Society; Ronald D. McPherson, Executive Director of the American Meteorological Society; John W. Fitzpatrick, President of the American Ornithologists' Union; George Trilling, President of the American Physical Society; Martin Frank, Executive Director of the American Physiological Society; Steven Slack, President of the American Phytopathological Society; Raymond D. Fowler, Chief Executive Officer American Psychological Association; Alan Kraut, Executive Director of the American Psychological Society; Catherine E. Rudder, Executive Director of the American Political Science Association; Robert D. Wells, President of the American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology; Abigail Salyers, President of the American Society for Microbiology; Brooks Burr, President of the American Society of Ichthylogists & Herpetologists; Thomas H. Kunz, President of the American Society of Mammalogists; Mary Anne Holmes, President of the Association for Women Geoscientists; Linda H. Mantel, President of the Association for Women in Science; Ronald F. Abler, Executive Director of the Association of American Geographers; Vicki Cowart, President of the Association of American State Geologists; Nils Hasselmo, President of the Association of American Universities; Thomas A. Davis, President of the Assn. of College & University Biology Educators; Richard Jones, President of the Association of Earth Science Editors; Rex Upp, President of the Association of Engineering Geologists; Robert R. Haynes, President of the Association of Southeastern Biologists; Kenneth R. Ludwig, Director of the Berkeley Geochronology Center; Rodger Bybee, Executive Director of the Biological Sciences Curriculum Study; Mary Dicky Barkley, President of the Biophysical Society; Judy Jernstedt, President of the Botanical Society of America; Ken Atkins, Secretary of the Burlington-Edison Cmte. for Science Education; Austin Dacey, Director of the Center for Inquiry Institute; Blair F. Jones, President of the Clay Minerals Society; Barbara Forrest, President of the Citizens for the Advancement of Science Education; Timothy Moy, President of the Coalition for Excellence in Science and Math Education; K. Elaine Hoagland, National Executive Officer Council on Undergraduate Research; David A. Sleper, President of the Crop Science Society of America; Steve Culver, President of the Cushman Foundation for Foraminiferal Research; Pamela Matson, President of the Ecological Society of America; Larry L. Larson, President of the Entomological Society of America; Royce Engstrom, Chair of the Board of Directors of the EPSCoR Foundation; Robert R. Rich, President of the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology; Stephen W. Porges, President of the Federation of Behavioral, Psychological and Cognitive Sciences; Roger D. Masters, President of the Foundation for Neuroscience and Society; Kevin S. Cummings, President of the Freshwater Mollusk Conservation Society; Sharon Mosher, President of the Geological Society of America; Dennis J. Richardson, President of the Helminthological Society of Washington; Aaron M. Bauer, President of the Herpetologists' League; William Perrotti, President of the Human Anatomy & Physiology Society; Lorna G. Moore, President of the Human Biology Association; Don Johanson, Director of the Institute of Human Origins; Harry McDonald, President of the Kansas Association of Biology Teachers; Steve Lopes, President of the Kansas Citizens For Science; Margaret W. Reynolds, Executive Director of the Linguistic Society of America; Robert T. Pennock, President of the Michigan Citizens for Science; Cornelis "Kase" Klein,President of the Mineralogical Society of America; Ann Lumsden, President of the National Association of Biology Teachers; Darryl Wilkins, President of the National Association for Black Geologists & Geophysicists; Steven C. Semken, President of the National Association of Geoscience Teachers; Kevin Padian, President of the National Center for Science Education; Tom Ervin, President of the National Earth Science Teachers Association; Gerald Wheeler, Executive Director of the National Science Teachers Association; Meredith Lane, President of the Natural Science Collections Alliance; Cathleen May, President of the Newkirk Engler & May Foundation; Dave Thomas, President of the New Mexicans for Science and Reason; Marshall Berman, President (elect) of the New Mexico Academy of Science; Connie J. Manson, President of the Northwest Geological Society; Lydia Villa-Komaroff, Vice Pres. for Research Northwestern University; Gary S. Hartshorn, President of the Organization for Tropical Studies; Warren Allmon, Director of the Paleontological Research Institution; Patricia Kelley, President of the Paleontological Society; Henry R. Owen, Director of Phi Sigma: The Biological Sciences Honor Society; Charles Yarish, President of the Phycological Society of America; Barbara J. Moore, President and CEO of Shape Up America!; Robert L. Kelly, President of the Society for American Archaeology; Richard Wilk, President of the Society for Economic Anthropology; Marvalee Wake, President of the Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology; Gilbert Strang, Past-Pres. & Science Policy Chair of the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics; Prasanta K. Mukhopadhyay, President of the Society for Organic Petrology; Howard E. Harper, Executive Director of the Society for Sedimentary Geology; Nick Barton, President of the Society for the Study of Evolution; Deborah Sacrey, President of the Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists; J.D. Hughes, President of the Society of Petroleum Evaluation Engineers; Lea K. Bleyman, President of the Society of Protozoologists; Elizabeth Kellogg, President of the Society of Systematic Biologists; David L. Eaton, President of the Society of Toxicology; Richard Stuckey, President of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology; Pat White, Executive Director of the Triangle Coalition for Science and Technology Education; Richard A. Anthes, President of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research. *

quote:

---

lol

​

can't believe I just wrote that crap

​

dumb stuff this all is

​

o well

---

You said it, not me.

quote:

---

It's the way you and schraf are proned to arguing it seems.
No evidence, straight rhetoric, lies, and anecdotes.

---

Throwing a few mudballs while you run away from arguments you can't address, kiddo?

quote:

---

Does holding an individual, or groups of individuals, in low regard induce one to believe that they are incompetent?

---

That is an oversimplification that twists FliesOnly's and my point, which is: Creationists say that scientists are completely wrong about the ToE.They say that scientists are completely wrong about the foundational theory of all of the life sciences.IF scientists really are completely wrong about the foundation of their entire field, and have been wrong for 150 years, then what other conclusion can one come to than they are really bad at doing science, or that they are fully aware that their rheory doesn't hold water and have been lying about it all this time?If those two scenarios sound silly to you, it's because they ARE silly.However, those are the two most plausible logical conclusions of the creationist stance that the ToE is completely wrong.

You are a god, Dr. A.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I was speaking to someone with 1190+ posts at the EvC forum.C'mon, Proph. These things are self-evident. I expect that there's a creationist in some other thread acting this way right now. There's no shortage of examples; this very website is dedicated to being that example. Its sufficient to participate in any thread at this forum in order to see what I'm talking about.Seriously. Why play dumb? Uh-huh. Do you think it's respecting the efforts of scientists when creationists assert that the wisdom of man is folly, and that any time scientific reasoning contradicts the Bible, it's the science that must give way?Does that sound like respect to you? To me that sounds like contempt.

They do?

quote:

---

Throwing a few mudballs while you run away from arguments you can't address, kiddo?

---

Snowballs

So far, prophex, you've manged to quibble about numbers without really addressing the point.The vast majority of scientists believe the theory of evolution is solidly based on mountains of evidence. Most creationists reject this evidence. Now, if you can at all avoid arguing about actual numbers, can you come up with any explanation for why creos reject what scientists say other than a belief that the scientists are lying or they don't know what they are talking about?

---

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

I guess I wasn't aware of all of the creationists out there who denounce the work of genuine and Phd-touting scientists as bunk, perhaps lies. Dr Adequate. Glad that was cleared up finally.Thomas Aquinas provided a rather detailed, and expansive argument for God a long time ago. I have yet to read it in it's entirety. But that doesn't matter for this. In this argument which, among other arguments have been presented, and arguments of my own on here, he used logic to formulate his ideas. He didn't resort to the mindless quality which the term "faith" bestows onto one's conscience.Creation has been accepted for a vast number of reasons, science included, logic included. Of course, arguments from science have not shown conclusive evidence that a creation occurred, not even considering a biblical one. (Unless you call philosophical/logical arguments part of science, as they use descartesian methods when dealing with thought, and presentation.)A man as myself respects science as it is. A field of study dedicated to ideas of and pertaining to what is observable. (Allow this over-simplification to pass.) Relativiy, Time (Hawking), Quantum physics, etc... I have great respect for the study. Einstein's efforts for unification stand out most definately. I love how there is a field where intellectuals reside, where mediocrity is weeded out by publishing works to advance our knowledge of our environment.But I also know that there is much more to life then this purpose. There is existence, there is philosophy, ideas of God, being, humanity, and society. Important questions, and important ideas. There is much of this in the texts of the Old and New Testaments.I have written posts on why I reject evolution. It's social implications, and it's ability to increase this already absurd being, but perhaps even that now seems stale. I do not think that scientists are liars, or cheats. They are men who study the world, and seek to find some sort of answers through it. They are misguided, and looking in all the wrong places. They hold a purpose similar to that of a ditch-digger, or of a custodian. There is no difference between their minds and the minds of men who illegally work here from another country. They squander thought on stars, on planets. They squander lives on evolution.The piles of evidence mean nothing to me. Yet I do not see these men as cheats and liars. Incompetent at what they do? Of course not. Possibly incompetent in knowing where truth should be sought.Is this horrible? How can I reject such a theory? A theory which rests on millions of fossils, and even wholly reconstructed "early humans"?I will not be degraded by such a theory of origins. I seek what is true in myself, and in God. God, and my existence are so entwined that I can see it. The only possible explanation for existing would be finally to reach a state similar to that of God. Transcending what is real, a state of knowledge which expands beyond anything which we feel is true. I feel that this would be the only noble goal, for a creator to give existence. For, we can know, we can know that we exist, we can know that there exists a transcendental theme to our lives, one that involves much more than the trivial pursuits of our "everyday lives". One which involves the teachings of Christ, and of Siddhartha. Of existentialism, of truth.Otherwise, there is no essential meaning to any of it, and we are part of a mindless being, which has been enacted without reason, and without inherent purpose.Thought on a different plane has taken me. You will object that I am "running away". As I first came here to defend all that I loved from the minds of all of you, using AIG, and HOVIND, now I can safely say that none of that even mattered. Maybe only significant in that it was what I cared about, it was for all whom I ever respected and truly loved, for all of the men who sat on those fields and thought. For my first teachers, and my first oppurtunities at knowledge, and salvation. Salvation from not only mediocrity, but from a non-existence, from a life similar to a scientist, or a professor. Similar in that it is utterly without meaning. Equivalent to a 9 to 5 job anywhere, doing anything. I am forever still grateful to that place.I had to get to the points of subsequent replies.

Where else is there to look, if not at the world around us as it is? Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. There's nothing degrading about being a part of the universe. Feel lucky to be alive and understand that a universe stretching across millions of light years and filled with countless billions of stars need not nescessarily revolve around the yearnings of humankind.Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.

Well, great, I guess. I don't have any respect whatsoever for someone who simply picks the conclusion that makes them feel better, opposed to what's best supported by the evidence. Such a person is a coward.

Hi Straggler. It's pretty difficult for any real ID creationist to address anything in EvC's science forums when the EvC definition of science excludes us from that exclusive definition of what science is and none of the research work and papers of our creo ID scientists, including the PHDs is not considered science.Evolution is considered to be a science theory. How then can anything we say be considered as sensible by you folks when we are considered to be ignorant as to what science is?Any debate I get into in science related subjects gets me in hot water with admin who now wants an educated proxy creo to sit in as my spokesman. Heck even if PHD Drs Gish or Austin of ICR came in here on my behalf how would that count anything when even their creo science research papers are not accredited here as being science?I don't blame Faith at all for disengaging herself from science debate here.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28