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Archer Opteryx

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Message 15 of 210 (359041)
10-26-2006 1:55 PM

Reply to: Message 11 by nwr
10-26-2006 12:14 PM

Re: Some obvious consequences

nwr:

If "evolution is false".

- the alleged great flood still didn't happen;
- there were still biologically modern humans, long before the alleged time of Adam and Eve;
- the creation stories in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 still contradict one another.

If evolution was shown to be false, creationists would throw a party--and come crashing to the floor with a terrible hangover. They'd remain on that floor a good long time.

Creationists have convinced themselves that creationism automatically wins anytime evolution loses. In their moment of supposed triumph they would find out this isn't true. Science would still be science, learning everything it can and moving on. The creationists would be hard put to know what to do next.

Archer

All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx

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Message 90 of 210 (359443)
10-28-2006 4:19 AM

Reply to: Message 62 by Dr Adequate
10-27-2006 5:34 PM

Scientists = 'Pharisee Religionists'

"Anyone can know that evolution is a lie by just studying the facts. But now anyone can also know that evolution is a double-damned lie. It has never been “secular” science as the world has been led to believe."

But don't say 'projection.'

"Rather, it has been a long labor of a Cabal of Pharisee Religionists to destroy the Bible’s credibility from Creation to Jesus to Heaven."

Oops. Still owe this year's dues to the Pharisee Religionists Society.

Check's on the way, gang!

Archer

All species are transitional.

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Message 91 of 210 (359444)
10-28-2006 4:37 AM

Reply to: Message 72 by joshua221
10-27-2006 8:24 PM

Re: Scientists = Custodians?

prophex:

[Scientists] hold a purpose similar to that of a ditch-digger, or of a custodian. There is no difference between their minds and the minds of men who illegally work here from another country. They squander thought on stars, on planets. They squander lives on evolution.

Others squander their lives nurturing ignorance with an illusory sense of privilege.

Give me the custodians, ditch-diggers, immigrants and scientists any day over the snobs.

Real people for a real world.

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Archer

All species are transitional.

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Message 146 of 210 (359758)
10-30-2006 4:42 AM

Reply to: Message 143 by Rob
10-30-2006 1:23 AM

life by natural causes

Rob:

Here is that argument:

When DNA was first discovered, it was assumed (because of it's peerless molecular complexity) that it had evolved into the complex molecule that it is today, through random variations over time (natural selection). This is still the assumption of many today.[...]

'Random variations over time' would not really be the same thing as 'natural selection.' Natural selection enters the picture after variations have taken place. It decides which varations are passed on and which are not.

Intersting thing about Darwin's Origin of Species is that it doesn't really say much about the origin of species. Darwin proposed 'mutations' as an origin but couldn't say much more. DNA studies lay far in the future. The really exciting thing is that the science of genetics, once it advanced far enough, could bear him out. DNA studies show us how these mutations happen.

The novelty in Darwin's argument lay in his postulation of common ancestry for all life forms and in the idea of natural selection. The latter doesn't really tell you how species originate. It tells you why they survive.

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Archer

All species are transitional.

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Message 166 of 210 (360087)
10-31-2006 10:13 AM

Reply to: Message 164 by Rob
10-31-2006 9:53 AM

Re: To answer some of your other questions

You're going further and further off topic, Rob. First you confused evolution with abiogenesis and now you are attacking atheism, which is a philosophical rather than scientific proposition.

Please refer again to the OP. What do you believe about the specialists (of any faith) who do the research?

Archer

All species are transitional.

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