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iano
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Message 1 of 246 (360403)
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


Even the most rabid athiest will accept that God of the Bible could inf fact exist. They would also accept that Heaven and Hell of the Bible could in fact exist (for simplicities sake: Heaven is bliss, Hell ain't)
If you were to die a few minutes from now where do you think God would send you? And why do you think he would send you there.
{Abe: changed "God of the Bible can well exist", to "God of the Bible could in fact exist" and "..Hell of the Bible can exist" to "...Hell of the Bible could in fact exist"
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days)
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 3 of 246 (360407)
11-01-2006 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by CK
11-01-2006 10:46 AM


Why?

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iano
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Message 5 of 246 (360412)
11-01-2006 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by CK
11-01-2006 10:50 AM


Cheers CK.
Right whose next: where and why there?

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iano
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Message 6 of 246 (360414)
11-01-2006 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by CK
11-01-2006 10:50 AM


Cheers CK.
Right whose next: where and why there?

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iano
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Message 22 of 246 (360482)
11-01-2006 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by subbie
11-01-2006 12:09 PM


Here's one for you, mate:
Even the most rabid [Christian] will accept that [Allah] can well exist. They would also accept that Heaven and Hell of the [Q'uran] can exist (for simplicities sake: Heaven is bliss, Hell ain't)
If you were to die a few minutes from now where do you think [Allah] would send you? And why do you think he would send you there.
Well I'm a rabid Christian so lets have a look see. I know Allah can't exist when I know God does. Someone who cannot exist cannot send me anywhere.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 23 of 246 (360483)
11-01-2006 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by iceage
11-01-2006 1:10 PM


Re: Salvation Meme
If you believe the things you believe then it is not too far a stretch to accept that the Catholic church may be right in their view.
Too far a stretch? You've got to be kidding me
But I was baptised into RC as an infant apparently and made my first holy communion and my confirmation. So far so covered. Until this...
Mortal sin
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,
These sins constitute grave matter, and if they are committed willingly and with full consent, constitute mortal sin.
I won't tell you which one(s) I committed but I certainly did so willingly and with full consent (on both our parts). Seems I've burnt my bridges with RC then.
{AbE} in my defence however, I would submit that I was drunk at the time. Oops - just read the list in full
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 26 of 246 (360488)
11-01-2006 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by alacrity fitzhugh
11-01-2006 2:23 PM


Something that does not exist cannot send me to any places that do not exist
This is true. Could he exist?

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iano
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Message 29 of 246 (360517)
11-01-2006 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by alacrity fitzhugh
11-01-2006 3:04 PM


To answer question , since all human gods are a creation of man, no god(s) exist.
What about non-human God.
{AbE}
Have you ever read the poem 'The God-Maker, Man' by Don Marquis? It's very good.
No. I never got poetry I'm afraid. I got other things. Can I suppose it asserts in beautiful fashion that which you do above?
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 33 of 246 (360527)
11-01-2006 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by CK
11-01-2006 5:02 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
We've hit paydirt on the world of work. The consensus had to come somewhere.
Was telephone interviewing with a medical device company today (read American multi-national - and no I don't take drugs). I nearly shat myself. I'd go from me, the engineering manager with a gaggle of fitters/electricians etc to me with 5 degree qualified engineers under me who each had a gaggle of fitter/electricians under them and a shed load of American VP's of this, that and the other above me.
All for 7000 per year more. Do the math
{AbE} "Think of the honour, think of the kudos" said the recruitment consultant. "Think of the rapidity with which American multinationals move house" thought I....
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 36 of 246 (360531)
11-01-2006 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
11-01-2006 5:13 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
About $12,000 or so. Double it and it wouldn't be enough to get me to work for them. The Yanks have about the worst employment conditions of anybody I know. The longest hours, the most cut-throat bosses, the fewest holidays. They are notorious for it.
Great if your a workahoic and like throwing "I work for Microsoft" comments around the pub. But little other than that.
I said "Medical Devices". Its actually "Medical Aesthestics" I didn't know what that was either so I asked. Silcone breasts as it happens
End of discussion...
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 37 of 246 (360532)
11-01-2006 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by tudwell
11-01-2006 5:17 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
I did answer. Look it up.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 40 of 246 (360535)
11-01-2006 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by iano
11-01-2006 5:18 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
Lest I sound ungrateful. A $12,000 raise here is a relative drop in the ocean. You have to take the cost of living into account. I have a yank mate who says you can buy a 1700 sq ft house in a reasonable part of town (North Carolina) for $150,000. Here that house in that location would cost $500,000.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 41 of 246 (360537)
11-01-2006 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by alacrity fitzhugh
11-01-2006 5:22 PM


Re: To be fair or not to be to Iano..
Even the most rabid athiest will accept that God of the Bible can well exist.
Will, not if
Not will, well

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 43 of 246 (360540)
11-01-2006 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
11-01-2006 5:23 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
Or if he were real clever he'd give me 72 virgin females to cope with. I guess women don't get a Muslim paradise, being nonhuman or some such.
I think that is your reward. To be one of the virgins. Quit wingeing woman.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1967 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 45 of 246 (360548)
11-01-2006 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
11-01-2006 5:28 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
It would in most of California too, double that in San Francisco.
California, San Francisco... Wicklow, Ireland. You catchin' my drift
It's the silicone breasts I'd have trouble working for myself.
Its a general trouble when your in manufacturing. Most products are, when you come to think of it, useless. I remember coming out of college in England and all the jobs where in British Areospace and Vickers - making weapons. I wasn't a Christian then but the idea of figuring out more efficient ways to kill people didn't really tickle my fancy. The only job I have turned down on the basis of what they made involved the notion:
"I just can't see myself talking about this at dinner parties"
Watch the progression:
Her (beautiful, shimmering...) "What do you do?"
Me (seeing where this is going *sigh*). I'm a mechanical engineer"
Her (checking my nails for grease linings) "Oh! That's interesting. What do you do exactly?
Me "I'm in manufacturing. I manage the Engineering department"
Her (Management - that sounds better "What do you manufacture then - is it exciting"
Me "It is very exciting actually - never a dull moment in fact. Machines are the mo...."
Her (Taking a leaf out of EvC) "So, what do you manufacture?"
Me " Ahhm, you know, its the FMCG stuff - exciting all the same though. Very exciti..."
Her "Whats FMCG...?
Me "Well (starting to see the next mortal sin disappearing inexecorably from my grasp) it means Fast Moving Consumer Goods: stereos, Computers, Food sector, medicinals....that kind of thing
Her "Ahhh. So what do YOU make exactly then. FMCG speakingly.."
Me "Toilet roll...."

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