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Author Topic:   Your eternal destination: you decide.
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Message 11 of 246 (360442)
11-01-2006 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
11-01-2006 10:40 AM


only one possible answer that I can see.
If you were to die a few minutes from now where do you think God would send you? And why do you think he would send you there.
Don't know.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 28 of 246 (360512)
11-01-2006 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by alacrity fitzhugh
11-01-2006 3:04 PM


Have you ever read the poem 'The God-Maker, Man' by Don Marquis?
Ah. Someone else who studies Archyology.
well says i pete
bill s plays are highly
esteemed to this day
is that so says pete
poor mutt little he would
care what poor bill wanted
was to be a poet

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 92 of 246 (360746)
11-02-2006 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by riVeRraT
11-02-2006 5:58 AM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
I can't help but feel this is not the answer jar wants to give, but the answer he feels he should give.
Of course it is the answer I want to give. It is the only honest answer.
As for someone saying they know GOD exists, they are simply lying to themselves successfully, and that is very sad.

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jar
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Message 154 of 246 (360979)
11-02-2006 9:07 PM
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11-02-2006 8:59 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
How can you say that with any authority?
Authority? What is that?
Now reason and logic I might understand.
I can say that if GOD appeared to me I might well believe I saw GOD. But I cannot know it unless there was some way to test and verify that experience.
How would I tell it really was GOD and not some other critter? How would I know it was a real experience and not just an hallucination?

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jar
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Message 156 of 246 (361005)
11-02-2006 10:58 PM
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11-02-2006 10:09 PM


Re: To be fair to Iano...
Your saying the God that created you, wouldn't verify himself to you?
How? How beyond belief? How do I know it is GOD and not some other entity?
What is the test of a God?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 158 of 246 (361076)
11-03-2006 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by riVeRraT
11-03-2006 7:25 AM


Still no evidence of KNOW
truth, love.
He created you, I don't think you need to test it.
Sorry but so far you have offered nothing.
You claim that you can "know" God. I have asked how. So far you have offered no possible way to "Know", instead mentioning things like truth or love.
Once again I ask...
how can you know the experience is God and not some other critter or even just your imagination?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 160 of 246 (361102)
11-03-2006 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by riVeRraT
11-03-2006 11:01 AM


Re: Still no evidence of KNOW
Like I said, you will just know, and you can't prove it to others.
Still nothing but empty assertion.
How can you just know? I'm sorry but you or anyone else who "Knows" god are simply lying to yourselves. Jones "Knew" God spoke to him. His followers "Knew" God spoke to them.
How can you tell that it is GOD speaking to you?
Do you need to test the fact that you see this forum?
Of course I do.
Can you prove to others that you see the forum, only if they can see it too.
Of course I can. Others do see it and in fact we can gather a group, look at a given message and all agree exactly which letters were used and what order they were in. In addition even inanimate objects like the search engine crawlers find and detect that this forum exists and even make copies of the material.
To imply that someone could doubt the existence of this forum, or the fact that I see it, requires yet another layer of willful ignorance.
The existence of this forum can be verified, my presence on this forum can be verified, even the fact that I am one person could be verified by analyzing the body of work here.
How do you know GOD?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 167 of 246 (361159)
11-03-2006 4:06 PM
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11-03-2006 3:59 PM


Re: Still no evidence of KNOW
Reread all you posted there. It is just you confirming your beliefs. You still offer NO idea of how you or anyone else can "KNOW" God.
I missed no point. We can establish that this forum exists.
How can you tell it is God that you know?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 169 of 246 (361176)
11-03-2006 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by riVeRraT
11-03-2006 4:21 PM


Re: Still no evidence of KNOW
Not if you are the only one who can see it, that was my point that you missed.
And as I pointed out to you, that is simply not the case with the forum. It can be independently verified.
The other point that I made, that you keep missing, is that you cannot prove God to anyone, so stop asking me "how do you know God".
Then you agree it is impossible for you to "Know" that what you believe is God really is God. If not, then how do you tell the difference?
This does not mean that God does not exist, and that He does not speak to people, or that people do not see angels.
That has nothing to do with this thread or topic.
Again, how do you "Know" that what you think is God is God and not some other critter?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 173 of 246 (361192)
11-03-2006 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Sour
11-03-2006 5:02 PM


Re: Still no evidence of KNOW
As I pointed out to riverrat the case of this forum goes even beyond that. The fact that inanimate creations like webcrawlers also see and catalog the forum adds additional weight.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 177 of 246 (361477)
11-04-2006 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by riVeRraT
11-04-2006 12:22 PM


Re: Still no evidence of KNOW
My original statement was, you cannot verify it, if others cannot see it. Then you go on to explain how others can see it.
Please, explain how you can verify that this forum exists, if others could not see it.
I did refute that assertion. First, others CAN see it. In addition, even inanimate objects like webcrawlers can locate, verify and catalog the existence of this forum. It IS verifiable.
You claim that you can KNOW God.
How can you know that it is GOD and not some demon?
How do you recognize truth?
How do you know love?
If you are honest, you admit that unless it can be tested and verified you cannot.
Some things in life, do not need testing.
Do you need to test that you exist? I am not asking if you can.
Certainly some trivial things do not have to be tested. Nobody tests for counterfeit pennies. It simply is not a big enough risk to make it worthwhile to test.
You though assert that you "KNOW" God.
How do you know that it is God and not some demon?
I can test that I exist, do so every single morning. The evidence that I exist is overwhelming. My doggies get fed. I have aches and pains. We are holding this conversation. People email me and I respond. Folk IM me and we hold conversations.
There is little doubt that I exist.
Once again...
You though assert that you "KNOW" God.
How do you know that it is God and not some demon?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 183 of 246 (361622)
11-04-2006 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by alacrity fitzhugh
11-04-2006 4:13 PM


Re: beyond . . . doubt
Its safe to say that, it is also safe to say most christians and Guan Yin devotee have never heard of Ye ho waah, google tsalagi.
Really? They must not have been to New Echota either then?

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jar
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Message 186 of 246 (361636)
11-04-2006 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by iano
11-04-2006 7:13 PM


Re: so many choices
Well not really. You can't do that which he said would gain you life. "Do unto others". You can't do it.
Why not pray tell?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 191 of 246 (361752)
11-05-2006 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Archer Opteryx
11-05-2006 12:45 AM


creators
Ye ho waah was the creator, and sang the first hymn.
The thing to remember about the Native American religions though is that there was great diversity, of tales, of beliefs, of customs, of traditions.
The Cherokees were a very sophisticated people and it is reflected in both their traditions and culture. The avatar alacrity uses is a painting of the great march, the Trail of Tears. To understand the story though you need to look at the painting and then look at the wigwams that the Chreokees were driven out of.
Some examples:
The teepee of Chief Vann
or the hut of Major Ridge who was one of the folk that signed the treaty of New Echota. Vann along with Ridge and John Ross fought a long and futile legal challenge, eventually taking it to the US Supreme Court only to have President Jackson simply ignore law and resulting in the forced immigration west.

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jar
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Message 200 of 246 (362138)
11-06-2006 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by riVeRraT
11-06-2006 9:35 AM


Still no Know and you even admit it. LOL
You think because there is less doubt that you exist, or should I say more proof that you exist, than God exists, that somehow you exist more than God?
No. That is not what I said. I said that we can verify I exist so we can say that we KNOW I exist. That is not true of GOD.
You believe in God, that is some sort of verification right there.
No that is NOT.
Because demons are evil.
How do you know you are looking at this forum, and not some naked woman?
If demons existed, and seemed evil, they would fail. If demons existed they would be like many pastors and almost all televangelists, seemingly good to con the gullible.
I know I am looking at this forum and not a naked women because it is verifiable. You respond to me. Even inanimate objects can find and catalog the forum and this thread and message.
For clarification, I always claim that I believe in God to others.
Good. So you admit yuo do not Know GOD.
In my heart I believe I know God, would be more accurate.
Finally. Yes. You believe in GOD. So do I. But I do not KNOW GOD exists, I can only believe in GOD.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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