Your eternal destination: you decide.

Ditto what CK and Nosy said.Here's one for you, mate:Paraphrasing:

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

What a chicken[____] copout.You started this thread with your silly insistence that we must concede the possibility that your conception of a deity must exist. You got honest answers from several people, me included, who were willing to go along with your premise to the extent of giving a substantive reply. Then you give this crap.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Yes, you proposed that even the most rabid atheist must concede that "God of the Bible" must exist. However, when the question was turned back on you, you were either intellectually or dispositionally incapable of assuming for the purpose of a similar question that allah might exist.And you have the nuts to suggest that someone else is beyond rabid.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

You are quite correct. You did not say "must" in your OP. That was my typo in my previous post.Mea culpa.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

I'm far less interested in your editing than I am in seeing whether you have the intellectual honesty and faith on your own belief to respond to your own question turned back on you.Seems I have my answer.Edited by subbie, : No reason given.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

I have described several times what my problem is with your non-answer. So have others.Even Faith, whose dedication to her beliefs is no less fervent than yours, answered the question honestly.Yes, it is a debate forum. And you are free to raise issues of interest to you without addressing them yourself. Exactly what point you thought you were making is lost on me. The point I took from it is that the atheists here are more willing to paticipate in an exchange of ideas and engage under the terms set than you are. I, like Archer, didn't really expect you to give an answer. However, my reasons differ somewhat from Archer's. I think Faith is no less a "fundy" than you are, but I was actually not surprised when she did answer the question.I have always felt that much of what you say here about your religion betrays a certain insecurity about it. Your shuffling about in this thread serves only to confirm that suspicion. There's really no need for you to deny that you are insecure. Quite often those who are the most insecure are the least able to see it, so I fully expect that you will toss my thoughts aside.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

If one person calls you a jackass, you may freely ignore that opinion. If many people call you a jackass, you better check for long ears and a tail.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Well, let's see...So far in this thread, you are the only person who has suggested that there's anything wrong with my paraphrasing of your question. That's one.At least four people have said that your response is non-responsive; Archer, Iceage, tudwell and me.I think a quick trip to a mirror is in order for you.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Hmmmmmmm.....You claim that you know god exists and, therefore, allah cannot exist. But here you allow for the possibility that someone else can know allah exists. Clearly two people cannot know two contradictory things.Believe it or not, I think this is a sign of progress!

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Whoops! You seem to have missed message 35 above: If I'm wringing my hands, it's only in delight, watching you twist about.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Better make that a bucket of wings, so people don't expect much meat.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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I have long felt that the tilde is a horribly neglected symbol.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

If we could figure out a way to cross the umlaut and the tilde, we'd have something very close to the yin and yang. Think about that one!Of course, as the creos here would no doubt advise us, since the tilde and the umlaut are different kinds, there can be no combining of the two. Alas.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Interesting.Would you include in that kind the various combinations that cartoonists frequently use to indicate cursing; i.e. @*&%@!, &^%(*&^%^$, and the ever popular $&^#$)((&^$%?

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

Uhhhh, we do seem to have drifted a tad off course, don't we?Sorry, my fault. I think I got us started down this road.My second mea culpa in this thread.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin