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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 1 of 63 (360351)
11-01-2006 8:19 AM


http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=ais

at least so says University of Rochester economics professor Steven E Landsburg (who has a regular column in slate). i'd love to see the study he's no doubt discussing, but this is, i'd wager, enough to start a row.

The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth.

the study in question is here shortened the link

also, apparently violent movies reduce violent crime.

Next, violence. What happens when a particularly violent movie is released? Answer: Violent crime rates fall. Instantly. Here again, we have a lot of natural experiments: The number of violent movie releases changes a lot from week to week. One weekend, 12 million people watch Hannibal, and another weekend, 12 million watch Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit.

University of California professors Gordon Dahl and Stefano DellaVigna compared what happens on those weekends. The bottom line: More violence on the screen means less violence in the streets. Probably that's because violent criminals prefer violent movies, and as long as they're at the movies, they're not out causing mischief. They'd rather see Hannibal than rob you, but they'd rather rob you than sit through Wallace & Gromit.

the study is here http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~sdellavi/wp/moviescrime06-07-31.pdf

i'd like this to be an academic discussion, but i find that highly improbable.

i'd say coffee house, but i thought i'd leave it to someone else to decide.

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Message 2 of 63 (361238)
11-03-2006 7:04 PM
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11-01-2006 8:19 AM


or you could just ignore me.

whatever.


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Message 3 of 63 (361242)
11-03-2006 7:08 PM
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11-03-2006 7:04 PM


So if you want it to be an academic discussion I assume you don't want it in Coffee House. Where would you like it to go then?

On second thought, I see no other option than Coffee House, since it has no relation to the creation/evolution debate.

Sorry didn't see your mention of Coffee House. Oh well, here we are anyway.

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11-03-2006 7:10 PM


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Message 5 of 63 (361255)
11-03-2006 7:26 PM
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11-01-2006 8:19 AM


Hmmm. Interesting study, for sure. And not, I think, all that surprising - I don't think anyone has ever established a link between looking at porn and any increase in rape. Such a link has been asserted often enough, even back in my youth, but never shown to actually exist.

I never was the rapist type, myself: I'd let porn and/or wanking substitute for even getting up the courage to ask a girl for a date when I was a young pup.


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Message 6 of 63 (361261)
11-03-2006 7:38 PM
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11-03-2006 7:26 PM


assertions
i think that's the important point here. people make all kinds of assertions about "unseemly" things causing social evils. very few of these are ever demonstrated at all. yet they persist.

i don't really understand how it all works out. but i'm looking forward to reading these. after i get done reading about the sex lives of pakistani muslim women and population problems in india and china. and of course more genocide. why do i do this to myself?

i personally prefer to keep my rape consensual and my handcuffs fuzzy.

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Message 7 of 63 (361599)
11-04-2006 5:56 PM
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11-01-2006 8:19 AM


one thing I've observed is that in countries where pornography is easily available, sex crime is a lot lower.

If you go to countries like Greece or Italy where you can go and buy porn at your neighbourhood kiosk with the same ease that you can buy cigarettes or newspapers, you'll notice that sex attacks are very low compared to countries where there is high regulation and limited availability of porn (like the UK).

I suppose it makes perfect sense : why go and attack someone when you can get your kicks in a much easier, safer and more comfortable way at home ?


"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the bug and some days you'll be the windscreen."

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Message 8 of 63 (361611)
11-04-2006 6:10 PM
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11-04-2006 5:56 PM


Assuming the correlation you describe is correct, I'd be very hesitant to ascribe any causative relationship, as you implicitly do. It seems quite plausible to me that there is a more open attitude generally in those countries about sexuality, and that more open attitude explains the greater accessibility of pornography and the lower rate of sex crimes.

I'm not saying that this is the case, I'm simply saying it's not self-evident that more openness toward pornography in general causes a lower sex crime rate.


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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Message 9 of 63 (361629)
11-04-2006 7:09 PM
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11-01-2006 8:19 AM


Spam is the great social cleanser.
The causative sequence here is quite evident. As soon as would-be rapists get their internet account set up they are bombarded by adds for priapic potentiation pills. There is not a reduction in rape, but merely a postponement as these miscreants wait for the palliatives they purchased to take effect. Fortunately, it appears to be a long delay.

Is this getting academic enough for you?


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Message 10 of 63 (361634)
11-04-2006 7:38 PM
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11-04-2006 7:09 PM


Re: Spam is the great social cleanser.
Either that, or the internet hucksters send the breast-enlargement pills in a penis-enlargement pill bottle, and the recipients are too embarassed to complain. They just stay in the house.

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Message 11 of 63 (361643)
11-04-2006 7:56 PM
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11-01-2006 8:19 AM


Homeland Security through Porn!
The Internet is for Porn.

Let's make the US a safe and secure Nation under God. More PORN!


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 12 of 63 (361680)
11-04-2006 9:51 PM
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11-04-2006 5:56 PM


quote:
I suppose it makes perfect sense : why go and attack someone when you can get your kicks in a much easier, safer and more comfortable way at home ?

You are forgetting that a great deal of rape is motivated by a desire to have power over another person and to degrade and humiliate them.


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Message 13 of 63 (361753)
11-05-2006 1:26 AM
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Schrafinator writes:

You are forgetting that a great deal of rape is motivated by a desire to have power over another person and to degrade and humiliate them.

I agree. I never saw the correlation between sexual relaease and rape. Rape is a crime of violence. I cant believe that watching a violent movie would make me less violent.

As for porn, I dont like it. It is not conducive to a healthy view of young women. (or maybe I dont get out enough. :rolleyes:


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Message 14 of 63 (361788)
11-05-2006 6:11 AM
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quote:
I never saw the correlation between sexual relaease and rape. Rape is a crime of violence. I cant believe that watching a violent movie would make me less violent.

Well, I don't think that watching a violent movie will make you MORE violent, but it may make you more tolerant of violence when you hear about it or encounter it.


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Message 15 of 63 (361793)
11-05-2006 6:22 AM
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11-01-2006 8:19 AM


quote:
University of California professors Gordon Dahl and Stefano DellaVigna compared what happens on those weekends. The bottom line: More violence on the screen means less violence in the streets. Probably that's because violent criminals prefer violent movies, and as long as they're at the movies, they're not out causing mischief. They'd rather see Hannibal than rob you, but they'd rather rob you than sit through Wallace & Gromit.

For the hour and a half that the film airs, perhaps.

Edited by Zawinul, : conciseness


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