Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.

You need to read Matthew 25. Read it slowly about seven times. You are likely right that we have different views of Jesus. The idea of GOD requiring that He become Man and then killed as some sacrifice to GOD is just plain silly.The Great Sacrifice was GOD becoming man, just man, same as you, same as me. Those born die. Sorry, that is a fact of life.Jesus message is that All are born forgiven. None are born with Damned stamped on their foreheads. All men, believers and non-believers alike will be judged, judged based on their lives.You should also reread John 3, because it does not say what you claim. Read it about seven times.I'm sure you are a Christian, I have no reason to doubt that. Hopefully one day you will learn what it is all about.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This is what John 3:16 to 3:18 says: Clearly, as you can see, anyone who believes is not codemned but anyone who does not believe is condemned. Now considering that the bible does not contradict itself, we must conclude that mathew does not mean what you think it means and needs to be interpreted differently.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.

Keep reading. The condemnation has to do with behavior.See, that is the problem with so many Christians, they don't read the manual. In addition, in Matthew we see Jesus speaking directly, not some editorial as in John 3. And there is no mention of belief in the story of the sheep and goats. Just the opposite, it implies that it will be the believers who are the GOATS, the Christians, and that the non-followers, the unbelievers that will be the sheep.If you like, I have discussed this at length this thread.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The condemnation merely says that people who do evil deeds will likely not believe. It says that because their deeds were evil, they chose not to come into the light. It's that simple.If Matthew truly says that salvation is based on works, than the bible contradicts itself. Since I don't believe the bible contradicts itself, and since I know what John 3 says, I must conclude that Matthew 25 must be interpreted differently.

That's fine. Or, of course, John must conform to Mat 25. After all, In Mat Jesus himself is speaking as opposed to the editorial of John. LOLBut I don't worship the Bible. I know that it does say contradictory things. It is the Word of God, inspired, but written, redacted, edited, revised, compiled by men. I don't worship it, and also don't try to make it say things it doesn't.Enjoy your version of the Gospel.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

iBibleNano, You are just trying to define the problem away by making predestination something that must be intentionally designed. It won't work, I'll make the same argument without recourse to predestination.Premise: God is omniscient & knows everything before it happens.Inference: God's omniscience means that when I am presented with an apparent choice when only one option actually exists.Conclusion: No actual options actually being available means free will cannot be exercised. That other options appear to exist is illusory.Try again.Mark

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

iBibleNano If forknowledge is certain then the event that it forsees must come to pass and thus indeed become an effect. Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

Any event that will come to pass will come to pass, therefore we can't change it. Is that not an effect in itself? Yet we still have free will.So the predestination and forknowledge thing doesn't work out.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.

1. God is omniscient and knows everything before it happens.
2. A person has many choices to chose from but God knows what choice he will chose.
3. Considering that he COULD have chosen any one of those, even though God knew he would chose the one he did, and he did, that means he has free will.

iBibleNano But if the future event must come to pass in order for forknowledge to exist then we cannot avoid what that forknowledge represents and thus cannot avoid it by exercise of free will

Whether we can avoid it or not is irrelevant because we do not know our own future. So even though a being knows what we will do, we still have freedom of choice because we are not aware of what choice we will make. If we were to know what that choice would be, and were still unable to change it, then there would be no free will.Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given.

You are confusing ignorance and choice. If what we will choose is foreknown, then we really have no free will. We may well be ignorant of which choice we will make but that is just ignorance, no more.If God knows what the outcome will be, if knowing that God creates man that will be damned, then that God is nothing but evil.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Nope. Reguardless of whether or not some entity knows our future our choices will still be ours So it really doesn't matter. Will our choices change if God knows them? Of course not. How can simply knowing the future affect it? It's the future that affects the knowledge. Not the other way around.

so, if God knows that I'm going to choose X, is there any chance that I'm going to choose something other than X ?

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the bug and some days you'll be the windscreen."

You don't seem to understand something. You don't chose X because God knows you will chose X. God knows you will chose X because you will chose X.You have the freedom of choice to chose X or Y. If you were to chose X, God would know about it. If you were to chose Y, God would know about it. But the choice is still yours.