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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You are a god, archer.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
It's almost like they are drawn to fight against something they recognise is within themselves. Are you saying that human beings should obey their desires and not try to control them? It's an interesting idea really. Let's just be who we really are! Is that how we determine what is real? "God must know, better than anyone, how unfulfilling it is to be right, until it can be shared, with a community willing to accept it, and enjoy the glory of it."(Rob Lockett)
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
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Billy Graham was once cornered by a tenatious reporter who asked him his thoughts on the Jim Baker scandal... It was imparted to me that Billy does not like to participate in such discourse as this. But the reporter had him pinned. He responded, (and I paraphrase) "There are thousands of airplanes, some big, some small. They fly thousands of miles and perform all kinds of functions flawlessly, some mundane, others grand... But let one grand jumbo jet crash, and the whole world is gawking at the casualties." "God must know, better than anyone, how unfulfilling it is to be right, until it can be shared, with a community willing to accept it, and enjoy the glory of it."(Rob Lockett)
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
The thing is, I'm not judging you by MY moral standards, but by that of the Religious Right's. quote: And Dobson, and Robertson, and the like. Who cares what they say? Millions of Americans, President Bush, and Carl Rove, and the NeoCon Leadership, that's who.
You lot are the ones telling me and my gay friends how we should live according to your own moral standards as put forth by your religious and political leaders, enforced by law if possible. quote: So, you're a vocal opponent of any of the religious social conservatives who are in power, and always vote against them when they propose passing laws restricting activities which go against their and your religious convictions? Somehow, I don't think you voted for Gore last time.
quote: I know you can't demand that I believe what you do, but you can support people who would pass laws to force me to live according to your rules. If you voted for the NeoCons it means that you support the passing of laws that would restrict others' ability to live their lives in the way they see fit on the basis of your personal religious beliefs.
Look, you can gush all you want in the public square about your past, but I'm not going to join in, thanks. quote: Sharing it with strangers would not be cathartic for me. Sharing it with a close friend or family member would be, though.
quote: I'm not worried about that. There are just limits upon what I will put on this internet forum, which is a completely public place that can be viewed by anyone with a computer and an internet connection.
quote: That's very good of you, thanks.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So is prostitution. In Denver.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It's called "projection".
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah it's mostly the name that conjures Irishman, but there was also that he reminded me of an enormous Leprechaun beaming down at me when we met. The facial features. I don't know how tall he was but he must have been quite tall. Of course I might have been stoned myself, having an Alice moment.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Schrafinator writes: why did Rev Haggerd "confess" only when he was forced to? Why do these "confessions" only come out when they are caught, not before? What sickened me and continues to hurt me is the fact that this leader of a church of 15,000 can't even tell the truth about it all.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
And Dobson, and Robertson, and the like. I can see how Robertson fits in that criteria, but I've never really understood why Dobson is so despised by the irreligious.
Who cares what they say? Millions of Americans, President Bush, and Carl Rove, and the NeoCon Leadership, that's who. And to think, they should be listening to the tirades of Michael Moore.
So, you're a vocal opponent of any of the religious social conservatives who are in power, and always vote against them when they propose passing laws restricting activities which go against their and your religious convictions? I vote for who I think will perform the best job and a sound ethical standard. All that I said was I have objections to politicizing Jesus. I don;t how that turned into what you described.
Somehow, I don't think you voted for Gore last time. Kerry was last one. I voted for neither. But I did have the fortune of meeting John Kerry and telling him that he and his running mate had better hair than his opposition. He was visibly irritated and walked away from me to shake the hands of his supporters.
I know you can't demand that I believe what you do, but you can support people who would pass laws to force me to live according to your rules. Nothing forces you to live as I do. But if that really were the case, wouldn't that imposition be the same for me?
If you voted for the NeoCons it means that you support the passing of laws that would restrict others' ability to live their lives in the way they see fit on the basis of your personal religious beliefs. I see it as them trying to pass laws that protect its citizens. Even the most liberal of Democrats wants that. We just differ in our opinion of what we best support and defend its citizens.
Sharing it with strangers would not be cathartic for me. Sharing it with a close friend or family member would be, though. Fair enough.
quote: That's very good of you, thanks. Not a problem. "The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2nd Corinthians 10:4-5
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I can see how Robertson fits in that criteria, but I've never really understood why Dobson is so despised by the irreligious. Dobson is a joke to the religious as well. He is an embarrassment to Christianity. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Dobson is a joke to the religious as well. He is an embarrassment to Christianity. Okay, but why do you think so? What does he do that's so awful? "The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2nd Corinthians 10:4-5
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: ... the laws of morality demonstrate how the universe works in terms of relationships. There are no "laws of morality".
A lot of this stuff isn't found by thinking so much as you think Ringo. Thinking is what enables us to deny certain 'real' stuff (like morality) with more and more magical manuevering. You have it backwards. It's your "magical maneuvering" that enables you to avoid thinking. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Focus on the Family. A most frightening organization.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
There are no "laws of morality". Disclaimer: I only offer the following, as a means of explaining something irrefutable. I am also not attempting to insult your intelligence. Furthermore, it is not an attempt by me to be right. I cannot be right. Neither can you. This argument is not just mine; it is yours also. It is the basis of all 'logic'; The law of non-contradiction. It is right, and we both use it. It holds that a contradictory statement cannot be true (unless it is qualified in some manner). You just used the law of non-contradiction by making an affirmation. The only reason yours failed, was because of the attempt to affirm a negative. Other absolute negations include: 1. There is no truth. 2. There is no God. 3. There are no blue stones with black dots in the universe. To make the point clearer... you are positing an absolute, while denying that absolutes exist. As such, I must ask a very important question: Is it wrong for me to say that there are laws of morality? And I mean for everybody... Please answer carefully...
You have it backwards. It's your "magical maneuvering" that enables you to avoid thinking If you are right, then you prove the law of non-contradiction by inferring that I am wrong and you are right. That is the law of non-contradiction. We cannot both be right! But you are not right, because you are using the law of non-contradiction against itself, and that is pure nonsense.A house divided against itself cannot stand! It rests on sand. But a house built on the rock, can endure the storm. Thinking is very shallow and simple. It is basic, and base. It is academic. It is careful. It is sound. And it is despised... because the devil is in the details, and he cannot hide from those who can see. God didn't make fig leaves big enough to drown out the light of reason. "In coming to understand anything we are rejecting the facts as they are for us, in favour of the facts as they are."(Lewis of course) Edited by Rob, : No reason given. "God must know, better than anyone, how unfulfilling it is to be right, until it can be shared, with a community willing to accept it, and enjoy the glory of it."(Rob Lockett)
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3625 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
[Billy Graham] responded, (and I paraphrase) "There are thousands of airplanes, some big, some small. They fly thousands of miles and perform all kinds of functions flawlessly, some mundane, others grand... But let one grand jumbo jet crash, and the whole world is gawking at the casualties." Interesting analogy. What we have, though, is more like ten jets crashing---all operated by the same airline. The airline has been reprimanded frequently by the FAA for hiring unqualified personnel, using substandard equipment and ignoring even the most basic safety standards. The airline's ads routinely make extravagant claims but is has always been plagued by lawsuits and audits and its shares occupy the cellar on the stock market. The planes themselves are known to have abyssmal safety records. Each downed jet was shown after its accident to have been held together with spit and Scotch tape. Yet airline executives repeatedly sidestep questions and have yet to make any changes. People do ask questions after accidents like these. Why? Because investigations are proper in such situations. The priority is not revenge or morbid curiosity. The issue is how innocent people may be protected from abuse and exploitation by those charged with ensuring their safety. Airline execs like Mr Graham dislike being summoned as part of the inquiry. But to avoid the subject is a criminal act of neglect when the airline, as he noted, daily puts more passengers in the air. ______ Edited by Archer Opterix, : HTML. Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo. Edited by Archer Opterix, : Typo. Archer All species are transitional.
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