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joshua221 
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Message 1 of 60 (361711)
11-04-2006 11:59 PM


Men are sent to war to die for their countries.

Many people argue that this is horrible, that they are dying for agendas, for money, and for power.

Others understand this, but accept it because of the sacrifice that the men go through for "freedom", for their nations.

For those who cannot stand the "game", they laugh at borders on maps, and nationalism. It is indecent yearnings for power and manipulation of course. They reject the term "freedom isn't free". They feel that lives lost for nations are lives wasted.

Others see this but with still greater understanding. They realize the true reasons for which men sacrifice themselves. It is not in the name of the men who send them, or in the name of society. It is not in the name of power. It is not in the name of freedom, or propaganda. It is not in the name of politics, or money.

Those simple men who thought that they were done, as they sent these people to their perpetual deaths. As bodies littered the ground, and none cried out in vengeance against this exploitation. None of them would try to stop their senseless barrage of garbage, of evilness. They would simply die. The enslavers could never realize the importance of such deaths. The foolish men who exploited would die believing that they had won the game, and that they were the victors.

But for the soldiers, for Ira Hayes, they died for each other, they flipped it all around on their masters, they grinned when they were put to rest, they laughed at those fools who used them. And God laughed with them. God laughed with them.

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joshua221 
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Message 4 of 60 (361733)
11-05-2006 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
11-05-2006 12:47 AM


Re: Is this about the movie?
Yeah go see it, it makes you think about all this stuff.
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joshua221 
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Message 5 of 60 (361734)
11-05-2006 12:53 AM


I feel that I came to an amazing conclusion about humanity and God by the end of my discussion. I don't feel that it is a rant.
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joshua221 
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Message 7 of 60 (361740)
11-05-2006 1:04 AM
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11-05-2006 12:56 AM


If it is normal for humans to use others, and exploit, then war may remain a fact of life. Hiroshimas will occur in time. The middle east will gain nuclear power, and we will decide to bomb them. Islam versus the US.

These things are just the way those who don't get it, work. They think they are in some sort of winnable game. They create systems where in which we are all destined to not be free. Where there is government and hierarchy. And where if we ever wanted to be free it would be impossible. True freedom is a dream of a man who has not yet left an imaginary world. Bad stuff.

It's the pharicies and the sleepers and the little Christs.

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joshua221 
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Message 12 of 60 (361874)
11-05-2006 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by NewYorkCityBoy
11-05-2006 2:18 PM


Re: thats gonna be a good movie
gay
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joshua221 
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Message 13 of 60 (361879)
11-05-2006 2:43 PM


War is wrong, but many accept war because of the "sacrifice" that soldiers put forth.

The funny thing is, is that the sacrifice was not made, in effect, to help the ones who used war as a way of gaining power/money. Leaders would like to think that the deaths were for their idea of freedom, and of preserving our "way of life", our borders, our nation's supremacy. Haha, that is all crap. National Pride had nothing to do with their deaths.

The men who died out there did not think that they were dying for money and power. They knew exactly what they were fighting for. ON BOTH SIDES.

They were dying for eachother, as messed up as it all was, and savage, and animalistic. They died for their friends, Ira Hayes would have died for his men as his general Mike did.

When they died, they could have laughed in the face of those elitist wagers of war.

And wouldn't God laugh with them?

It's so absurd. Men bombing and attacking and killing. It's beyond absurd. They would say that they did not die for nothing. (It seems like this is at the root of the real reasoning behind those who feel so connected to war, and to veterans.) Although it is always horrible, we can know that they didn't get absurdly destroyed for those power hungry fools, and for society. They took the sacrifice for their friends.


joshua221 
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Message 14 of 60 (361882)
11-05-2006 2:48 PM


No war has ever been justifiable. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo fire. It's disgusting. How could one justify those deaths. Make amends for that?

But this topic was meant to reveal the hopelessness and absurdity of war, and why, in fact, those who sent and waged wars did not benefit from the deaths. The men died thinking of only those that they loved. It's not about this laughable invention called society and freedom. Rights? Haha - freedom is man.


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joshua221 
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Message 16 of 60 (361900)
11-05-2006 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by NewYorkCityBoy
11-05-2006 2:49 PM


If your father died in the war, he only would have died for his loved ones, not the people who sent him, the societies, the systems, the money and the power.

My Grandfather's best friend died in the war. For what? For freedom? What a lie. He died possibly absurdly trying to do the best he could in a place of evil and death. Was his life simply to re-affirm the belief that "freedom isn't free"? Haha. He died not for that ridiculous and mindless phrase. Shit... He died as a product.

What gives any meaning to his absurd and horrible death?

Was he knowingly protecting his friends? Was he part of a squad of imbeciles? Or did he love his squad?

How absurd this all is. He could have been in a squad full of idiots. Non-thinkers. They were PRODUCTS. THEY WERE ALL PRODUCTS. THEY WERE USED. THEY WERE EXPLOITED. THEY WERE FORGOTTEN. WHO WOULD SAVE THEM?

Was there anything which made their lives worth it?

Of course he was my Grandfather's best friend... But why, why did he die?

I thought I understood it, I thought that the movie gave me new knowledge into soldiers, and deaths for nothing of any worth at all. For borders and complete shit. But the movie has not resolved these problems, and I find myself who had claimed to have transcended all unoriginal thought pertaining to war and death, but I have become part of it again, back to where I was.

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joshua221 
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Message 17 of 60 (361903)
11-05-2006 3:20 PM


But for the soldiers, for Ira Hayes, they died for each other, they flipped it all around on their masters, they grinned when they were put to rest, they laughed at those fools who used them. And God laughed with them. God laughed with them.

I had never realized that this above statement that I made is bullshit.

It makes no sense.

Many soldiers would never want to die for their "eachother", for their crew mates.

Many were above their crew. Many thought of amazing ideas while their crew was a bunch of savages. Idiots were apart of this crew. There was no reason for dying, they died in vain. The soldiers who thought, who understood things would die in vain. They would not even feel at all connected to their fellow soldiers, they would probably hate them. And we can pump up their deaths so grossly, with slogans and more wars. With politics and movies. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWWWWOWWW


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