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Rob 
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Message 166 of 302 (361712)
11-05-2006 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Archer Opteryx
11-04-2006 11:48 PM


Re: Fly the Fundie Skies
Everyone loves to spit and mock the poor fool who dares to carry his cross.

Do what you have to do...

I don't need to point fingers Archer... I have a mirror. I wish everyone the best in their journey whereever they are.

But if it makes you feel better... I mean if ugliness is your absolute with which to judge yourself and your friends as superior, I cannot argue the point. You are better that a lot of people.

In fact, we're all good people compared to Hitler.
And we celebrated his demise. Gave ourselves a good pat on the back!

But if we compare ourselves to Christ. If we compare ourselves to utter righteousness, then what are we? Suddenly we're all equal!


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ringo
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Message 167 of 302 (361715)
11-05-2006 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Rob
11-04-2006 11:46 PM


Rob writes:

Is it wrong for me to say that there are laws of morality?

It would be wrong for you to say that there are fairies building a castle in your backyard unless you can provide evidence that they exist.

Similarly, it is wrong for you to say that there are "laws of morality" unless you can provide examples of what they are.


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Rob 
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Message 168 of 302 (361716)
11-05-2006 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Archer Opteryx
11-04-2006 11:48 PM


Re: Fly the Fundie Skies
For the record, I am not suggesting that mr. Haggard get a slap on the wrist. He should face the full penalty under law, for any crimes he is convicted for.
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Message 169 of 302 (361717)
11-05-2006 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by nator
11-04-2006 8:51 PM


Re: a study in contrasts
Not at all, schraf. I'm just one of the--how does one say in Iano's piquant prose?--sickest of repulsive psychos with barely pardonable (and I do say it with extreme difficulty) black souls who utter the blackest, most ugly statements bar none that bring sin to the yellow, pus-filled surface that allows us all to see sin for what it is.

Unless I convert to fundamentalism. Then the same stuff happens, but it's no big deal. ;)

___

Edited by Archer Opterix, : wink.


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Rob 
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Message 170 of 302 (361718)
11-05-2006 12:15 AM
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11-05-2006 12:10 AM


It would be wrong for you to say that there are fairies building a castle in your backyard unless you can provide evidence that they exist.

Similarly, it is wrong for you to say that there are "laws of morality" unless you can provide examples of what they are.

Are you using a code that does not exist to tell me I am wrong?

Edited by Rob, : No reason given.


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Message 171 of 302 (361719)
11-05-2006 12:16 AM


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Edited by prophex, : mistake


ringo
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Message 172 of 302 (361720)
11-05-2006 12:19 AM
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11-05-2006 12:15 AM


Rob writes:

Are you telling me I am wrong, by using a code that does not exist?

I'm using English.

How about those examples of "laws of morality"?


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Rob 
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Message 173 of 302 (361721)
11-05-2006 12:30 AM
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11-05-2006 12:19 AM


How about those examples of "laws of morality"?

By not answering your question in the terms you require for belief in the subject in question, am I guilty of anything immoral?

You have provided the answer to your own question.

"Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable."
(C. S. Lewis)


"God must know, better than anyone, how unfulfilling it is to be right, until it can be shared, with a community willing to accept it, and enjoy the glory of it."(Rob Lockett)
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ringo
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Message 174 of 302 (361723)
11-05-2006 12:37 AM
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11-05-2006 12:30 AM


Rob writes:

By not answering your question in the terms you require for belief in the subject in question, am I guilty of anything immoral?

Do you consider evasion immoral?

You have provided the answer to your own question.

For the benefit of our fans who enjoy verbosity, how about answering it in your own words?


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Rob 
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Message 175 of 302 (361731)
11-05-2006 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by ringo
11-05-2006 12:37 AM


Do you consider evasion immoral?

It doesn't matter what I believe, your the one who doesn't believe in morality. If it doesn't exist objectively (like the sun and moon), my belief changes nothing.

Tell me evasion is not immoral, and I'll admit nothing. Tell me it is, and I'll agree with you.

For the benefit of our fans who enjoy verbosity, how about answering it in your own words?

I always use my own words. And as the moderation rules suggest, I support them with documentation and references.

The ideas I wield however... the weapons if you will, are, I freely admit (for the sake of honesty... a moral concept) precede me by thousands of years.

Your not arguing with me Ringo, you're arguing with your creator. And you are being evasive. I'm just a stupid messenger.

"When you are arguing against Him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all."
(C.S. Lewis Mere Christianity)

Edited by Rob, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 176 of 302 (361738)
11-05-2006 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Rob
11-05-2006 12:49 AM


Rob writes:

It doesn't matter what I believe, your the one who doesn't believe in morality.

I didn't say that. Pay attention.

I said there are no "laws of morality" unless you can demonstrate that there are.
So far, you have not done so.

The topic would seem to be about the hypocrisy of fundamentalists in dealing with immorality among their own. Kindly demonstrate the "laws of morality", specifically how they apply to Ted Haggard and the Christian Right's reaction to his "peccadillos".

Your not arguing with me Ringo, you're arguing with your creator. I'm just a stupid messenger.

Then how do you know you got the message right?


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Message 177 of 302 (361743)
11-05-2006 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Rob
11-05-2006 12:49 AM


carefull ringo
Your not arguing with me Ringo, you're arguing with your creator.

Wow I did not know that god was posting here.


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Rob 
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Message 178 of 302 (361749)
11-05-2006 1:23 AM
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11-05-2006 1:00 AM


The topic would seem to be about the hypocrisy of fundamentalists in dealing with immorality among their own.

Are fundamentalists denying that he has acted immorally?

And are you saying hypocrisy is wrong? By what laws to you infer that that is wrong?

Do you know anyone who is not a hypocrite?

I can give two examples of men who are not hypocrites...

1. Jesus

2. Charles Manson

I didn't say that. Pay attention.

No! No! 'Six minute Abs'!

I'm sorry Ringo, maybe i aught to just let you out here. But I saw the movie, so I'll stay in the car. haggard has brought enough suspiscion already! :rolleyes:


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Message 179 of 302 (361750)
11-05-2006 1:23 AM
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11-05-2006 12:49 AM


Oh Man.... I just finished watching Nacho Libre and your little schpeel sounded like a line out that stupid movie!

"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." (I haven't got a clue)


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Rob 
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Message 180 of 302 (361754)
11-05-2006 1:29 AM
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11-05-2006 1:10 AM


Re: carefull ringo
Wow I did not know that god was posting here.

Trust me... He's not suprised!

Luke 23: 32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, there they crucified him, along with the criminals--one on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.


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