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Author Topic:   "Flags of Our Fathers"
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Message 3 of 60 (361730)
11-05-2006 12:47 AM
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11-04-2006 11:59 PM


Is this about the movie?
I know that I will get flak for favoring your topic and that it will be accused of being yet another Porteus rant....but....I promoted you anyway. So tell me, Charlie...did you see the movie?

I have not seen it yet, but Im assuming that you did since your O.P. waxed poetic! :)

War is one of the most heartfelt yet least understood behaviors of our species.


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Message 6 of 60 (361736)
11-05-2006 12:56 AM
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11-05-2006 12:53 AM


Do you feel that war is normal or abnormal?

Maybe I should ask a Marine, though. *sigh*


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Message 8 of 60 (361746)
11-05-2006 1:15 AM
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11-05-2006 1:04 AM


The Agony and the Irony
What is really ironic about the whole concept of war and human nature...at least in my mind...is the way that it looks to me from the fundamentalist Christian perspective. The irony of the Endtimes views that I learned back when I was a "simpleminded" Christian is that the final wars will be the result of an antichrist spirit---either as one man deifying himself or as a people deifying their ideology.

The irony of the Christian view is that when it becomes a national policy it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy.

This nation, were it truly a Christian nation, would not be trying to change the internal cultures of other countries under the guise of allowing them freedom.

Human nature has always embraced some form of nationalism and national interest in any great power throughout History.

We are no different---and we may have to have a bit of a bloody war before we come to our senses and realize the limitations of our human impulses.


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Message 24 of 60 (362368)
11-07-2006 7:20 AM
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11-05-2006 12:53 AM


the wisdom (or lack of same) concerning war
Theatrical Review:

At some point during the process of adapting James Bradley's nonfiction book about the battle of Iwo Jima, Clint Eastwood decided he'd need two movies to adequately manage the material's scope. The first, Flags of Our Fathers, focuses solely on the American campaign. It uses Joe Rosenthal's celebrated photograph of the raising of the flag as a springboard for a successful war bonds fund-raiser, and debates with timely flair the use of political spin to salvage an unpopular war.

Eastwood's follow-up, Letters from Iwo Jima, arrives in theaters early next year and will recount the battle from Japan's perspective. The director hired first-time screenwriter Iris Yamashita to develop Letters from an idea that screenwriter Paul Haggis proposed. He will employ an all-Asian cast, and will not use any of the actors we meet in Flags. It is yet to be determined whether the two movies will offer legitimate parallels, or exist as separate entities.

War sems to be the American way. If we had no war, we would have no materialistic empire, don't you think?

I understand and think it quite Christ-like to be a nation of pacifists, but I also wonder what the implication of such behavior would be?

The Western Powers have had to raise up more than once against threats from other regimes and other blocs of power. As you said, it is human nature.

In this day and age, with the prospects of nuclear war still very much present, war seems like a foolish option.

In the context of Iwo Jima, however, I would never belittle the efforts of our Fathers in their wars. My Dad was in the Pacific back then, and he did the job that he had to do, or so he told me.

Im sure that our peers in Iraq feel much the same way.

Just out of curiousity, if you somehow were forced to go to Iraq, how would you react? Would you flee to Canada or would you obey the law. (assuming a draft)


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