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Topic: Haggard Scandal
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6000 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Message 35 of 302 (361281)
11-03-2006 8:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by subbie
11-03-2006 4:28 PM
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Funny
I understand Mark Foley's copy is unreadable. He never uses a bookmark to hold his place.
He just bends over a page. That's brilliant.
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6000 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Message 210 of 302 (361829)
11-05-2006 12:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 207 by Rob
11-05-2006 12:00 PM
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If our actions determine our 'goodness', then you got to admit... the do-gooders got ya'll secular folk beat! Are you sure? http://humaniststudies.org/enews/index.html?id=219&article=7
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6000 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Re: Drugs
Well, if you must know, I didn't vote for Bush the first time. The second time I didn't want to vote for Bush, per say, but anyone else would have been a wasted vote. Similarly, here in Oregon I'm voting for someone I view as the lessor of two evils. I want to vote for someone else, but he's not going to win. If I voted for him I'd be throwing away my vote and giving it the greater of two evils. No wonder Bush won a second term. "Well, I'm sure everyone else is voting for him, so if I vote for the guy I really like, it'll be a waste."
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6000 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Message 236 of 302 (361915)
11-05-2006 3:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 216 by Rob
11-05-2006 1:55 PM
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But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." (Matthew 9:13) If you are a good and righteous person, then you will not go to heaven. If you cannot understand why, then you have missed the most important point that you can ever come to understand. That's not at all what that verse means. Jesus is saying the righteous are already saved, he wants to save the sinners. He's come not to call the ones that are already going to heaven, but the ones that might end up going to hell. Your ability to quotemine the Bible (and C.S. Lewis, and countless others) amazes me.
Just as Christopher Columbus did not have to prove that the world was round. It was always round. Christopher Columbus didn't prove that the world was round. Everybody already knew that. So much for that self-glorifying analogy. 
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6000 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Message 254 of 302 (361975)
11-05-2006 6:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 245 by Rob
11-05-2006 4:27 PM
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When did I ever say I was a good person?
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6000 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Message 261 of 302 (361984)
11-05-2006 6:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 243 by Rob
11-05-2006 4:14 PM
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Matthew 25: 41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." There are two groups of people here. One group will not be expecting their good deeds to be good enough. And the other will be shocked at how little their deeds meant. I can see how you get that idea through the single bolded sentence you took out of context. In context, it's the group on the right that helped his fellow man ("one of the least of these my brethren"). The group on the left didn't, even if they were good to Jesus himself.
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6000 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Message 274 of 302 (362001)
11-05-2006 7:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 264 by Rob
11-05-2006 6:40 PM
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Then why is the group on the left, the one's trying to justify themselves? The one's on his right asked, "when did we do these things?" Certainly such do-gooders would remember their service to the poor. They ask Jesus, "When did we help you?" And he replies, "You helped your 'brethren'." That's the end of the conversation. They don't ask when they helped the poor, or gave shelter to the homeless. They ask when they did that for Jesus. Edited by tudwell, : No reason given.
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6000 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Message 276 of 302 (362003)
11-05-2006 7:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 272 by jar
11-05-2006 7:08 PM
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Re: Very Glad to see you seem to understand Matt 25
That's exactly what I was trying to say. Your attitude toward Jesus doesn't matter. It's your attitude toward your fellow brethren that does. And you tied this whole off topic discussion into the OP. Edited by tudwell, : No reason given.
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